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  • WTM Admin
    WTM Admin
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    Welcome to the General Discussions forum! With the human condition explained and resolved there is so much to discuss, and this is the place to share your thoughts and see what others are thinking. Remember that conversations relating to the science underpinning the explanation of the human condition can be found in the Science forum; and those relating to the exciting and liberating new way of living that is now possible through these understandings can be found in the Transformation forum. Of course, as conversations in this topic grow and converge, we may move them into their own forum.


  • Kevin
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    I have watched all the intro videos, started to browse the website, and begun reading the FREEDOM book. What I don’t get from all I have read and seen is a sense of how many women are involved in the Transformation Movement. Some basic stats would be helpful.


  • Genevieve
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    Hi Kevin. The WTM consists of both male and female members with a fairly equal balance of both. You can read more about the WTM at this link https://www.humancondition.com/the-wtm/#about-the-wtm and you will also see affirmation videos from our founding members, both men and women. Hope this helps, Genevieve


  • Liam
    Participant

    Last week I read about a 16/1/17 report published by Oxfam that “eight individuals, all men, own as much wealth as the poorest half of the world’s population some 3.6 billion people”. By comparison, in 2010, “it took the combined assets of the 43 richest people to equal the wealth of the poorest 50 percent”. All the while “1 in 10 people survive on less than $2 a day”. I could only half laugh at how mind boggling these numbers were and this is just one of horrific symptoms of the Human Condition at play each day. Thinking about it later my mind went to the analogy that Tony Gowing uses on WTM video of the ‘up river story’ (well worth watching). He describes a torrent of water sweeping a continuous mass of people down a river to their death. A small group of people on the bank are trying to rescue as many people as they can but it is a hopeless cause as the vast majority of victims are still lost. Eventually the group decides to go up river to find and remedy the cause for why the mass of people are in the river in the first place. With the benefit of WTM explanation of the HC I can see that bigger and better philanthropy is “pseudo idealism”, is about pulling a few more people from the river but fundamentally changes nothing. In stark contrast, WTM work goes to and resolves the source problem of the HC – the psychological mess in our head. If I feel overwhelmed at the task WTM is committed to I go and watch the Denialators song “Lets Go”. I can feel the “Lets Go” of these people, the lets end all this horror is real, is genuine, is really on.


  • Roger
    Participant

    Hi Guys,
    This is my first message and I’m really excited. This will be a bit all over the place but I can’t believe how many subjects are being spoken about so openly AND it makes sense. I’ve got this amazing feeling that I actually don’t have to pretend or try to be anything or anyone other than myself for the first time ….. ever……..and I don’t need to feel horrible about the horrible elements in myself for the first time …..ever.
    I can see I’ve got a really exciting period of time in front of me.
    Thanks guys
    Roger


  • Clint
    Participant

    G’day Roger. You are definitely in for an exciting ride. The power of understanding a problem rather than being a victim of it is incredible and the problem we all have been a victim of is the Human Condition. Now that it’s solved we can leave it behind and realise our full potential as conscious thinking beings. There actually is a real world waiting for all humanity where unconditional selflessness is the driver and the excitement once you see the possibilities that grow from that are almost too much to bear. Please keep us up to speed with your discoveries.


  • yarzan
    Participant

    Hi, I’m wondering if there is any forum or other organisation in Ireland that I could attend ??

    Cheers,

    Pat

    • WTM Admin
      WTM Admin
      Moderator

      Hi Yarzan, at this stage we have WTM Centres in Sydney and Melbourne in Australia; in Austria in Europe; and in Zambia in Africa — and expect to establish further centres around the world as support grows for this Jeremy Griffith’s all-important breakthrough understanding of the human condition, and that includes Ireland!

      In the meantime, for those not living in the vicinity of a WTM Centre, the internet is obviously a great way to communicate with us, and also to help spread knowledge and build awareness of this information the explanation and its world-saving potential to everyone around the world.

      The WTM page shows the numerous ways in which you can interact with us and others interested in this information, including obviously this Forum, where you can start your own topics and read and respond to what others have to say; our Chat facility, where you can live chat with a WTM Member; and of course, our Social Media channels, which provide powerful insights, images and videos on this whole new paradigm of thoughtrelating to Jeremy Griffith’s explanation of the human condition.

      And if you haven’t already, you can also Subscribe to our mailing list to receive weekly educational emails on this all-important understanding of the human condition, as well as news updates, and inspirational examples of how resolving the human condition opens up a whole new world of understanding and brings about the dreamed of transformation of the human race.

      Finally, becoming a Member is the ultimate way for people to participate and support this project. Once you become a member of the WTM, we will put you in personal contact with a current WTM member who will be available to email, call and interact with you so you can talk about the transformation of the world and your personal journey within this new paradigm.


  • Nigel
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    Hi all, I have literally been bawling my eyes out for the last 35 minutes out of pure release. I have been captain of the HMS Nigel for the last 43 years, lost at sea. I’ve learned about ancient cultures, religion, science,taken drugs, tried meditation etc, searching for why the world is the way it is, why people are the way they are, why they don’t love me in the same way I want to love them I guess.

    I thought I was unworthy, different and alone. Other people seem so fulfilled and happy being part of a system that was ruthless, arbitrary, childish and ultimately pointless.

    So I excluded myself, tried to find meaning in becoming a father, something I never really had. I realise now how selfish that was, basically creating a small tribe that has to love me. Problem is my inability to function in society, my need to escape, made me a terrible dad.

    First I worked very long hours, thinking that giving them all the things society says they need, was the go. Then I quit work to spend more time with them because they were failing at school, getting bullied and so on.I become a disciplinary douche bag, trying to bully them into doing better. Then I gave up, became depressed, lost my self on the internet.

    I know I have bought into this whole thing, very quickly. I asked myself if I was accepting this as truth just because it feels good? However I have a degree in Aquatic resource management and the science makes sense, the logic makes sense. Intuitively it even feels like truth. My only concern now is will other people get it.

    I genuinely believed most people were too rotten or too stupid, for society to make the changes it needs to. You have given me hope, freedom from my own guilt and self hate and most importantly a new sense of purpose. I now understand myself in a way I never have before. Thank-you.


    • able921
      Participant

      Nigel, have you seen the video of Brian Carlton on the WTM’s website, where he says, “you never forget the euphoric moment when you realise this really does explain the human condition”? It is in the commendations section on the WTM homepage. https://www.humancondition.com/?videoId=commendations&item=1. I dont think his experiences are the same as yours, but for getting someone on the record remembering what it was like to find the explanation of the human condition, it reminded me of you.


  • Kevin
    Participant

    Given that Jeremy was so badly treated by the ABC, there might be some poetic justice to be had if he was invited onto James Carleton’s very interesting radio show, “God Forbid”.


  • abi
    Participant

    From what I can gather, your ABC is very like our CNN, and so I wouldn’t go anywhere near them. Beyond that, I suppose for the WTM, it would come down to a matter of principle, not to have anything to do with them.


  • Liam
    Participant

    Hi Nigel. I really enjoyed your post and relate to a lot of your story grappling with the Human Condition as best you could like all of us before coming across the work of the WTM. You mentioned the concepts of meaning and purpose. In my experience, just one of the tremendous rewards of deepening our understanding of WTM work is an ever growing and authentic sense of meaning and purpose. In terms of whether other people get it I know what you mean but you giving voice to the effect of WTM work on your outlook is a microcosm of the paradigm shift at work and another shoulder to the wheel. Look forward to hearing more of your journey in due course.


  • MREquals
    Participant

    Hello WTM, this is Michael, I have been reading and re-reading each chapter at a time for Freedom: The End Of The Human Condition so fare I am on Chapter 8:14 The Hollow Adolescentman. I am getting a better understanding of myself and others around me, I know when I am done I will have a full understanding. I am in the Transformation Prosses and eager to join the movement once I am done, but I am taking my time because I am not as fast as I would like to be and I know it took 2 million years of this upset so it’s going to take time to recover from it I just hope it doesn’t take 2 million years to do so. I know I feel better as I come close to finishing the book and I will feel even better once I am done reading it. Thank you so much for such a great gift!

  • WTM Admin
    WTM Admin
    Moderator

    Thank you Michael for your wonderful feedback. We’re thrilled to hear you are benefiting so much from reading FREEDOM and that you’re being patient with yourself in taking your time to work through it all. It’s such a massive subject with so much new information to consider and absorb so it does absolutely take time and patience! The beauty of your approach is as you say, you will have a solid understanding of these explanations and I think you’ll find chap 9 very helpful in describing the simplicity of the transformation process which is just a natural consequence of being able to understand the human condition and that the need to prove our self-worth is actually over. And although it may take some time for people to realise that this information is what it says it is as with any new scientific breakthrough in history, once it catches on, the infectious enthusiasm and selfless love it liberates will spread like wildfire! Thanks again Michael for sharing your journey on our forum. We very much look forward to celebrating with you at the end!!


  • rob@learninglife14
    Participant

    Hello all, i have just joined the WTM after coming across the website on social media, thank heavens for algorithms that bring up pages we might like. I have been on a journey of discovery since my teenage years, and am now 48. It is an amazing journey this life, when you stop and face the reality that you really do know nothing, but just by asking why things are the way they seem to be, you are given access to an open mind that can use all the collective human experience that has come before you to unravel those questions.I have learned that we are all on a unique journey of who we are and what we can become as individuals, and i have no doubt that this organisation is the key to evolving our species beyond the current impasse we have found ourselves at. Of course this evolution, as with any process which sets out to change established patterns of thought will be met at times with friction, however i cant contain my excitement to be involved because i cant think of a more beautiful way to continue enjoying my journey of human experience, than being a part of something that transcends the individual pursuits of self. Thank you Jeremy, and everyone involved for who you are and what you have accomplished so far. I look forward to a long relationship of learning from you all.
    Rob


    • Tommy
      Participant

      Wow Rob what a beautiful comment. I feel so very humbled when comments like yours hit this Forum, where you are so easily able to access the truth in Jeremy’s work and deeply appreciate it. Everything you are discovering about Jeremy and his fabulous unevasive, ‘open mind’ and this information is so true, and you will only discover more and more as you continue to absorb it’s profound logic how right your comment is, that this information ‘is the key to evolving our species beyond our current impasse’. ‘Freedom’ provides humanity with exactly as it says on the front cover ‘At last, the redeeming, reconciling and rehabilitating biological explanation of the human condition that brings about the dreamed of dawn of understanding and ends all the suffering on Earth’. Humanity can now legitimately move on from the agony of the last 2 million years, and all be transformed through this ‘holy grail of insight’ (to quote Prof Prosen’s Intro which I love) and return home together. We are free! And it is simply an astonishing time to be alive when we actually fulfill the whole of humanity’s journey! I can’t contain my excitement either Rob and I really look forward to our continued learning journey too!


  • Clifton
    Participant

    Hello. Is this the proper thread for the hello?

    Do I have to read the book? I think I already agree with 100% of the concept. The book is big and intimidating and kind of boring, in fact often repetitive. I got tired of it. Do I have to read all of it?

    :)


    • Tommy
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      Hi Cliftonprince. I’m actually not sure from your comment how familiar you are with the WTM’s ideas but it is obviously important to ground yourself in the information in some way to be able to truly assess it. I don’t think you have to start that journey with necessarily reading the book Freedom, although to read it at some time in your journey would I think be important. The WTM have on their homepage a video series that is really powerful, it says there that the first 4 videos are ‘the key to understanding and solving everything’ so maybe that would suit you better at this stage? Or the Freedom essay series are great too, and they cover heaps of the book anyway, so having something smaller might be better. I;ve put those links at the bottom. This is a huge new ‘paradigm shift’ as it says in Freedom that this information opens up and it can be intimidating to start as we’re all so afraid of the human condition, but the more you get familiar with these ideas, the more you’ll realise that with understannding of the human condition now here, we are all standing on safe ground now in a completely understanding-filled and transformed new world. I’d actually read Freedom essay 11 too, it’s extremely helpful in terms of explaining why we historically have difficulty reading about the human condition, or listening to it, and also the solution to that. When you’re not aware of why we have such a fear of the human condition, it explains there that the presentation is blamed eg. saying its repetitive. Anyway it’s a really awesome essay which I’m sure you’ll get heaps out of just as I did. Hope you continue on with digesting this info clifton, from my experience it will never disappoint you but fill you with more joy and optimisim and security and meaning that you ever thought possible.

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      https://www.humancondition.com/freedom-essays/
      https://www.humancondition.com/freedom-essays/the-difficulty-of-reading-freedom/


  • Clifton
    Participant

    Thanks, not really what I’m asking (though you would have had no way to know). Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner, sorry I didn’t put more fulsome information about myself in my first inquiry. Is there a better thread where a thorough discussion can get started? I don’t really want to be cluttering up the front-page welcome-mat. :)


  • gretchen
    Participant

    Hello WTM Admin. I was wondering if it would be acceptable for me to quote the books profusely in a blog or website that I would create and manage and link everything back to http://www.humancondition.com? That way there are multiple websites for people who are searching to stumble upon and find your website and resources. This would be a non-profit organization website.


    • WTM Admin
      Moderator

      Hi Gretchen, thank you for your enthusiasm in wanting to create a blog or website to support these world-saving ideas which is wonderful because the more people discussing them out there the better! We do encourage people interested in being involved at this level to firstly become a member (as I can see you’ve done), as membership provides the platform to discuss support of this nature. Your personal membership contact will be in touch with you about this Gretchen.


  • brookelook
    Participant

    Hi All, my initial reaction is…yes of course! This has been my understanding for quite some time and yet the shit still goes on around me. It won’t change the world. Almost all religions try to make sense of our condition to give us some kind of peace. But when you watch your loved ones struggling with illness brought on by their denial of their own mistakes or insecurities you think how can this really help someone who doesn’t want to see? Back to the cave issue. I understood that analogy when I first heard it at Uni and have seen life around me as bundles of bullshit and delusion ever since. I still suffer from time to time, although it is more voluntary these days. I love the hope you all have, but really nothing will change the world, maybe a few lives but buckle up for some more disappointment. Most people will either being floating down stream or watching on. You have to wait for people to figure out how to climb out. If they ask for answers they are ready to learn. That is what is happening here. Nice to see though. Overcoming insecurities also involves accepting you really don’t matter a jot. Then if you don’t matter then neither do your actions…and so the circle goes round.


  • Susy
    Participant

    Hi brookelook. Your scepticism is waranted, goodness we have been stumbling around on Earth for 2 million years without any answers just doing the best we could, with all manner of disappointments and delusions and suffering just being been part of that ‘hell on Earth’ ‘life’. As you say religions have had the job of looking after us through this immense battle, but as it says in Freedom, “while religious assurances such as ‘God loves you’ may have provided temporary comfort, they too failed to explain WHY we are lovable.” (para47, which is a really good one to read in full). This biological understanding answers that in logical, rational, biological terms —it explains the historically inexplicable of how we could be good when we appear to be so bad. Our human condition is at last made sense of and it’s an incredible breakthrough for us all. People COULDN’T ‘figure out how to climb out of’ the stream or out of Plato’s cave until we had actual understanding. In fact what you will learn is that all the denial and ‘bullshit’ that we go on with has all been for the most glorious, heroic reason. So I do really urge you brookelook to persevere with looking this stuff, it actually is the real deal. The ‘circle’ of suffering and insecurity and destruction is now broken.
    In paragraph 1218 of Freedom, it says ‘The human race has always hoped and believed that some day, some where, at some time humanity’s heroic search for and accumulation of knowledge would lead to, as Alan Paton hoped, ‘the dawn…of our emancipation’—the finding of the liberating understanding of the human condition—at which point every aspect of human life that was seemingly so inexplicable would suddenly make sense, and we can now see how true that hope and belief was. Out of an overwhelmingly complex and problematic existence a straight forward and totally effective, extremely-rapidly-repairing-of-human-life-and-the-Earth, way of living for humans is now able to emerge.’


  • Ari
    Participant

    Hi everyone. I read A Species in Denial’ about 10 years ago at the request of my brother. The first read was awful (too hard). The 2nd read 12 months later was amazing. But what is more amazing, I just re-read ‘afterlife explained’ in the ‘Demystification of Religion’ and it is extraordinarily brilliant. Jeremy, this is, I think, the most brilliant bit of writing I have read in my 48 years of life. Wow!

    It’s strange how something can make so much sense 10 years after you first read it or come across it. And I think that’s the message I have. Stick with it. It’s so right it can’t possibly be wrong.


  • Ari
    Participant

    I just read Clintons email above. Sounds exactly like me. The book is boring, repetitive, long, tiring and more. Clinton that is exactly how I felt for 5 years! I promise you, more than anything else in the world, that if you put it down for 3 months and go back to it, you will be blown away. Please go back to it, because it solves everything.

    And if you’re like me, you may not be on the front line fighting this battle, like the heroes at WTM centres around the world, but you will be free and liberated and ecstatic and the impact it will have on your life and well being. Good luck!


  • adamjedgar
    Participant

    Guys this is my second post on this forum…i didnt introduce myself in the right place (instead diving into a thread first). So, with a little rewind, here goes…

    I first stumbled across this movement as a result of researching what happened to Griffith Tablecraft (a place i worked for a short time in 1988 and have very fond memories of. My first real job at Griffith Tablecraft inspired me to become an Industrial Technology teacher (I have moved on from this career to run my own business these days). In my search i stumbled across Jeremies book.

    i have not yet read the book, its a journey i am about to embark on.

    a caveat i wish to add at this point…I am a Christian (Seventh Day Adventist). I am not a great role model of a Christian, however, I do believe quite passionately in God and Creation.

    Having said the above, I am not a person who aims to block other philosophies from my mind. I think its important that we consider as many theories/facts about where we came from? why we are here? and where are we going?

    I am not a high level writer…apart from the obvious degree goal, studying academia completely muddled the language of a low socioeconomic status “Bogan” from Newcastle NSW Australia!

    I come to this forum as an open minded person genuinely seeking to understand Jeremy’s philosphy and writings. My aim is to compare and contrast them with my existing beliefs and lifes experiences as a father and husband to further my own journey through life.

    i wish to conclude my introduction by honestly outlining that my thoughts develop/evolve through discussion…so my threads may be somewhat convoluted as a result of this (my apologies up front). My first question on the forum may be controversial from the get go, however, since i understand my own philosophy better than i understand “The Human Condition” it is where i feel i have to start.(i hope this isnt a problem)

    kind regards
    Adam

    • Susan
      Susan
      Moderator

      Thank you for your thoughtful introduction Adam. Because this is such a massive paradigm shift in understanding with so much to absorb we do encourage newcomers as a first step to investigate the material freely available on our website http://www.humancondition.com, starting with the Introductory Video Series and the summary booklet ‘Transform Your Life And Save The World’ which provides a good overview of the fundamental concepts. In dealing with such a historically difficult subject for us humans, these biological explanations of the human condition are very confronting by nature and in addition although ultimately a fulfillment of religion (as explained in WTM FAQ 6.3), they do demystify religious concepts which some people can find incredibly challenging. So our best advice is to take things a step at a time Adam and begin by investigating the basic concepts presented in the first 4 videos of our Introductory Video Series, and there is lots of other good material if your interested in the concept of God.