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  • in reply to: Carlos Castenada's "Flyer" or "Mud Shadows"

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    I am reminded of the quote that Jeremy uses from Carl Jung: ‘When it [our shadow] appears…it is quite within the bounds of possibility for a man to recognize the relative evil of his nature, but it is a rare and shattering experience for him to gaze into the face of absolute evil’. Eerily similar.

    in reply to: Anyone seen Genius of the Ancient World on Netflix

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    This is a bit off track, but what about Alice in Wonderland? A child goes down the rabbit hole and sees the world of adults as it really is. Its crazy, but the only world they know.


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    An interesting topic! As you say juzzie, love indoctrination is the precursor to consciousness. There were blocks against consciousness that only love indoctrination could breach. But that would have taken a long long time. As I understand it the love-indoctrination process started around 12 million years ago, slowly reigning in competitive and selfish behaviour over millions of years, and during that time very slowly liberating consciousness, and it took until about 4 million years ago for our ancestors to reach the consciousness of a 3 year old (I’m having to look at chapters 7 and 8 of FREEDOM as I write this!). With respect to our pets, I don’t think that loving them makes them more conscious, but no doubt they will be more secure and confident, and not preoccupied and messed up like abused or unloved pets are, but that is different to becoming more conscious I think.
    But that has made me think, because nurturing does have a profound affect on any species of infant, and I remembered the work of Harry Harlow (who is mentioned in Griffith’s work). Harlow did experiments on rhesus monkeys in order to prove the importance of nurturing, and he separated some of the babies from their mothers and replaced the mother with wire models of a mother (which sounds very cruel, but Harlow was actually a scientist that believed in the importance of love), but the point is that those monkeys were very messed up, and would self-abuse and all sorts of things. So the difference between an animal brought up in a good environment and a bad environement will be huge.

    in reply to: The Book

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    Hi, I thought I would give my 2 cents worth! This book (Im talking about Freedom) has become really important to me. Its kind of like my bible I guess. But I sort of have this love hate relationship with it. I mean, there are times when I dont want to read it. But what I have learnt is that if I start reading it, then Im so glad I did. I can understand that loop pretty well now I think. I mean, I am a ‘resigned’ person, and I am trained to living in denial of just about everything, and that is my comfort zone, and reading this book takes me WAY outside my comfort zone, because it talks about everything so deeply, so it makes sense that there are times when I dont want to read it. But when I do, all of those defensive feelings just melt away. They really do. And every time I am just amazed at where this book is coming from. And where it takes me. Its like it makes me anew each time I read it. Im gushing now, but thats how I feel about it.

    in reply to: Selfless genes

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    thats a fair point I think Jakey. Griffith does say that genes are a tool for creating more order (thats a big idea right there), but with a limitation, which is that they have to be selfish because selfless or sacrificial traits dont reproduce. Is that what you were talking about?

    in reply to: Question

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    I definately find it hard to understand that. Whats so good about this stuff is that it has a hard edge. That pseudo spiritual stuff used to just make me wild. Like one hand clapping and all that. Spare me.

    in reply to: How do I integrate this with my family & friends?

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    I think you impress them with what a difference it makes in your life. I know Im a totally different person than what i was before I learnt about this, and people can see that and know where it comes from. But have to agree with the codependency thing to. Have to work on that!

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