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  • in reply to: Why is understanding so frightening?

    Tommy
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    You’re spot on Marty, this information does explain we are upset but fundamentally good and that golden truth opens up a whole new world for humans free of any condemnation or guilt or insecurity. There aren’t any truths now that condemn or hurt us now we can understand the human condition. Our fear of the human condition is really a thing of the past, when we didn’t have understanding. It certainly does take time to adjust to having the ‘lights on’ which is a process to be respected, but I’m with you, let’s live in world of knowledge this explanation opens up!

  • in reply to: WTM Centres!

    Tommy
    Participant

    Your excitement for the truth just lit up the whole world Nicoletta!

  • in reply to: WTM Centres!

    Tommy
    Participant

    I agree nhiall! It couldn’t be more exciting. I particularly loved the video on the Central Canada WTM centre from the Professor, Karen I think her name is.

  • in reply to: When people seem a little uneasy

    Tommy
    Participant

    If anyone is genuinely interested I find watching the intro videos on the WTM’s homepage with them is helpful, the more you listen and read the more your mind is reassured that there we can ‘confront’ the HC now, rather than be terrified of it, and those intro videos seem designed to help that process. Just my observations.

  • in reply to: Human Cooperation

    Tommy
    Participant

    Was recently helping a friend understand how we became altruistic, and re-read Jeremy’s essay 21 and also the brief FAQ and thought I’d put it on the Forum too for others, because they are so brilliant and helpful. What an amazing past we have!
    https://www.humancondition.com/wtm-faq-how-did-we-acquire-our-moral-soul/
    https://www.humancondition.com/freedom-essays/how-did-we-humans-acquire-our-altruistic-moral-conscience/

  • in reply to: Adam Stork

    Tommy
    Participant

    Only things I thought to pass on in addition to Chris’ thorough reply, in case of some assistance Mark is that the homepage says that the first 4 videos are key and in my experience that is a great guide. The 4th one has a section which explains why having moral instincts caused a ‘double whammy’ effect of criticism from our loving dictatorial non-instighful instincts which is a helpful section. And I love the 10th video too, including the section titled ‘Our immense guilt and insecurity about our fundamental worth and goodness has been driving our behaviour’. (These videos and other freedom essays are a brilliant place to start as they breakdown Jeremy’s book ‘Freedom’ into sections, and you probably feel you have your hands full there Mark for now, but ‘Freedom’ itself, and particularly Chapter 3 obviously covers it all beautifully too, especially Chap 3.7 “Our instinctive moral conscience has been ‘a sharp accuser, but a helpless friend'”. Anyway a free download from the website if you wanted a look). As you persevere with this stuff, as Chris says, and our historic fear of the human condition slowly breaks down, what becomes really clear is that understanding the battle between our instincts and intellect shows just how deeply insecure we are about our self-worth and that it’s behind all the problems we face individually and as a species. It’s such an amazing breakthrough, we now have knowledge that not only explains and defends us but also transforms us and everything around us, so you’re only going to get more excited Mark! (And the birthday party analogy that Chris refers to is from Jeremy’s first book which I’ve just finished reading and this is the link https://www.humancondition.com/free-story-of-the-birthday-party/#toc-11)

  • in reply to: Religion vs Human Condition: Different Angle

    Tommy
    Participant

    It sounds like you have been on quite an amazing journey over the last 10 years GKroucamp! I wasn’t deeply questioning things at all when I stumbled across this information some time ago now, so I admire you greatly that you were and that you kept the search for truth open. It is just astonishing with this biological explanation the way it just keeps making sense of everything you look at in yourself and in the world. I’ve seen someone describe it as a feast of knowledge and that’s exactly what it feels like!

    I like what you say about all cultures coming from the same base line, that makes sense to me as we are all from the same species on exactly the same journey. It reminded me of the book Jeremy quotes from Richard Heinburg called ‘Memories & Visions of Paradise’, there’s a really good section on it in freedom essay4. And I couldn’t agree more that religion and science are now reconciled and it’s so very important that they are.

    When you use the terms of the division of spirit and flesh I understand that to mean what Jeremy calls our soul/conscience which is our original all-loving, ‘spritual’ instinctive self, and our mind/intellect that went out in search for knowledge and became upset. The most amazing thing for me is that the ‘negative’ from our upset has now been biologically explained and defended, and we can see that it wasn’t really ‘bad’ afterall and actually all occurred for an amazingly heroic reason. It is such a profound turn around. Our loving ‘positive’ soul and our mind are finally reconciled and indeed even with the whole direction or purpose of life which Jeremy explains as Integrative Meaning (personfied as God)! (By the way if you haven’t already, I found the essays on God (23) and Christ (39) very enlightening and helpful too). Anyway it’s all huge stuff and a lot to adjust to but as you say you just keep following the logic with this stuff and keep applying it to your own experiences and insights and it will just never disappoint you. All the best GKroucamp!

  • in reply to: What if we are a flawed species?

    Tommy
    Participant

    There is no condoning of our upset in ‘Freedom’ Joseph but being able to understand and source where all the horror began IS humanity’s liberation point. This is an important sentence from Chp 3 ‘Importantly, this understanding of why we became upset as a species doesn’t condone or sanction ‘evil’, rather, through bringing understanding to humans’ upset behaviour, it gives us the power to ameliorate and thus subside and ultimately eliminate it.’ All the questions you ask are the fundamental questions that we need answered to progress as a species and there are similarly distressed quotes from Shakespeare and Pascal early in Freedom that you will enjoy. What Freedom unbelievably makes crystal clear is ‘the seemingly-impossible-to-explain paradox of how we humans could be good when all the evidence appeared to unequivocally indicate we were bad’. The significance of this breakthrough for humanitiy is not to be underestimated.

    What Jeremy undeniably explains is that we don’t suffer from some kind of a genetic flaw which means our behaviour would be unchangeable, but that we suffer from a psychological problem, a psychosis, and a psychosis can be healed with understanding. Our psychosis is sourced and explained in Chapter 3 with the Adam Stork story. It really does make sense of our human condition, our capacity for both good and evil, why we have the capacity for such destruction and immense greed, ‘horribleness’ and why there is such enormous inequality and disease as you outline above when the ideals are to be utterly cooperative and loving. And it explains that yes, we once lived in this loving ‘paradise’ 2 million years ago before consciousness emerged and a battle broke out between the two. The HUGE game changer here is that our divisive side has finally been explained and defended and that’s what will end all the pain and suffering and bring all the transformational changes we so desperately want in ourselves and for our planet. There is an amazing, profound, meaningful, biological reason WHY we are so unideal and ‘trashed paradise’. I read this wonderful line in Freedom last night “our species’ transformation is being achieved through what is ultimately the only real and lasting and fundamentally responsible way it could be—through satisfying our conscious thinking mind with first-principle-based, biological understanding of why humans are wholly worthwhile and meaningful beings.” As I’ve also read somewhere on the WTM’s website we had to understand our way to freedom!

  • in reply to: Genesis 4:14

    Tommy
    Participant

    I agree timfin59 that the Bible is an amazing source of truth but it is written in a time where there was no science. What I love about what the WTM is presenting is that it is a demystication of our whole lives, it allows us to understand ourselves and the world, and that includes being able to demystify and understand the precious religious metaphors and stories in the Bible. The amazing story of Cane and Abel is explained in Freedom in paragraph 906, and straight after the section you quote from paragraph 155, Jeremy writes this in para 156:
    “It should be emphasised here that while Moses’ extraordinarily sound and thus effective thinking enabled him to describe all the elements involved in producing the human condition, the story of Adam and Eve is only a description of the conflict that produced the upset state of our human condition, not an explanation of WHY the conflict occurred. As was described in chapter 1, for that all-important explanation to be possible science had to be established and understanding of the difference in the way genes and nerves process information found; we had to understand that one, the genetic learning system, is an orientating learning system while the other, the nerve-based learning system, is insightful. And until that clarifying explanation was found it wasn’t possible to explain that the intellect is actually the hero not the villain, deserving of being ‘banished…from the Garden of Eden’, it is portrayed as in the story of Adam and Eve. Moses was an exceptionally honest and thus effective thinker and could describe the elements involved in producing the human condition, but he could not liberate humanity from the insecurity of that condition. For that to be possible science had to be developed.”

  • in reply to: Feeling Loved and the need for Love

    Tommy
    Participant

    Hi Oneness. I truly believe and know to be true having deeply experienced it in my own life, that now understanding of the human condition is in the world it makes sense of every situation in the world and solves every problem. Rather than needing to focus though on all the sad and painful details of our lives it gives us this amazing capacity to be able to view all our unavoidable upset from an ‘overview’ loving and accepting position. We have all been hurt by the human condition and we all carry all manner of scars but it’s all been for such a good reason. Understanding that it is scientifically proven that we are fundamentally good and not bad, that we are redeemed, puts us all in a very powerful position. We no longer have to be victims of the human condition but masters of our own lives, and we no longer need to focus on all the specific details of how much we were loved or not and how much pain we encountered or not, it’s all been an unavoidable mess! No child has been able to be loved as much as our genuinely loving and real genetic instincts expected before the HC emerged. And as you elude to Oneness this information gives us/ our rational mind the ultimate reason why all the pain and suffering has occurred in each of our lives and across the whole planet. And we can talk to that inner child and all children and more innocent people and tell us/them this amazing journey that humanity has been on that makes sense of everything and brings so much relief and joy and love back to us all. We really do finally have the ‘manual to life’ itself! But the important thing is that we don’t have to focus on all those details now, the whole human condition ‘hell’ existence and all the pain and suffering it has caused has ENDED! IT’S ALL OVER! Where we put our focus now is on the new landscape that opens up for us all which is a life free from the human condition. Liberated and transformed we focus on the future and that is where the endless excitement and purpose and meaning lies. Not sure if you’ve read any of the awesome Freedom essays on the WTM website but the first 5 are important ones to take time to digest properly, and in terms of this discussion I also love the essay 32 which talks about this whole area, link below.
    https://www.humancondition.com/freedom-essays/more-on-the-transformation/

  • in reply to: Feeling Loved and the need for Love

    Tommy
    Participant

    I think I follow you Oneness and agree with what you are saying. I agree it is absolutely amazing to be able to understand unconditional love and where it comes from (as Chaps 4 & 5 of Freedom explain) and yeah as it says in para 425 ‘humans’ deepest preoccupation…. is with giving and receiving selfless love’. To now be finally able to UNDERSTAND that our instincts ARE to be unconditionally loving and cooperative, and we all instinctively expect the world to be that way when we are born, and when we hit the reality of the upset world it produces massive stress and ‘dis-ease’ and upset within each of us is an absolute game changer. That age old question, that sits like the heaviest rock on our shoulders and in our hearts, has finally been answered of are we good or bad afterall?! Jeremy has explained the human condition and we can finally know that we are good afterall! All the upset and selfishness and preoccupation and egocentricity that has accumulated since we first became conscious (and the battle broke out with our loving, instinctive self) has all been for such an amazing heroic reason!! And with that knowledge that battle and upset can now finally truly subside and all the suffering on Earth like having to resign to cope and take up an ‘egomind’ can end. We can all finally and legitimately return to a loving, caring and peaceful world, reconciled with our instincts. I hardly believe I’m typing that even though I know it so well now in myself, this information is just the most significant breakthrough imaginable for humans that’s for sure. I’m so glad you posted what you did, the fact we have loving instincts is an important topic and one that has had to be denied by humanity and mechanistic science especially, but no longer needs to be! Thanks Oneness

  • in reply to: Being Young

    Tommy
    Participant

    Hi erpa96. Your post was deeply moving and I’m so glad you have reached out on this forum. I’m glad someone younger replied to your post as I’m female and a lot older than you but to a large extent this amazing information negates these gaps as we have all been suffering the same human condition and now all thankfully coming in from that cold, horrid ‘cave’/ denial-filled life. To be honest I wish I could give you a huge hug! But I know ultimately this information is that for us all, so redeeming and life-saving as you say, and finally we have safe and solid and loving ground to stand on and to begin to spread our wings. This information is the full truth about humans and it will spread across the globe like wildfire, there’s no doubt about that, but to begin with it does have a slow start. All new ideas do, but this one has a particularly slow start as it explains our own behaviour which is confronting, and our denial is thick, as you seem to be experiencing from those around you. From what you have written I think you are doing extraordinarily well managing everything and you just need to connect with others who are supporting this. The Transformed Lifeforce State is actually really simple and it is ultimately the most beautiful solution for humanity going forward. The fundamentals are that we know we, and the whole human race is finally biologically explained and defended and that knowledge turns everything around and ultimately puts us all in a very powerful position but, as you’ve said, that takes some time to adjust to. I’d really recommend signing up to the WTM mailing list on the homepage so you can receive the Freedom Essay series and any WTM Updates.

  • in reply to: Religion vs Human Condition

    Tommy
    Participant

    Yes this is a very exciting arena brenan, and yes very humbling for me too. There is a lot to get your head around with this biological understanding of the human condition, it goes very deep and the more you look into it, the more you see the significance of what Jeremy has explained, and how liberating it is. You will see we are no longer walking around ‘figuring all this stuff out as we go’ but that our accumulation of knowledge means we’re now finally able to bring scientific understanding to our lives. Jeremy’s work is on the shoulders of all those who have gone before him such that the whole human situation has now been made transparently clear and from any angle you look at, be it religious or philosohical or political (Jeremy’s book Freedom and the essays cover all these topics and more including the three questions above). Solving the human condition required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect (which gave rise to our consciousness) and instincts (our conscience) work, and that is what Jeremy has found. Video 4 is a personal favourite, it documents other thinkers who have recognised instinct and intellect elements involved in creating the human condition.

  • in reply to: Today…

    Tommy
    Participant

    You couldn’t be spreading better Christmas tidings DaveH! I agree that if we keep our eyes open there are many opportunities to promote and support this world-saving information, everyone needs it so desperately. It’s the only solution to the horrific state of affairs right across the world, and what an amazing solution it is!

  • in reply to: Being Young

    Tommy
    Participant

    I remember this frustration stage very clearly myself because everything is so stark and in your face when you start seeing through yourself and everyone around you and it consumes your mind as your saying. And I really relate to the frustration of just slotting into my old, habitual ‘strategy’ or ‘role’ around my family and friends. It was like an automatic response that I felt I had no control over and I would get so disappointed with myself.

    So it is hugely disorientating to start with but it does settle down I promise. And what I’ve learnt is to see when I’m pushing myself too hard and to instead do the opposite and use the compassionate defence for this messed up person that I’m seeing, and to take the pressure off trying to ‘get to’ the Transformed State and just accept where I’m up to in my journey with this, in this huge pioneering time that we’re in, where this is still so new to us and to the world.

    It helps to keep remembering the scale of change being introduced here which is so easy to underestimate, especially when you first come across this. It comes back to what you and Tony said, allowing time for your new understanding to sink in because in doing that you will become stronger in yourself and in applying it in situations where your old habituated behaviour and codependencies are triggered. And I have discovered time and time again the more I back off myself in that way and maybe step away from reading the information so intensely for a while, the more my subconscious can absorb and access the compassionate macro picture of humanity’s incredible, heroic journey and that my and everyone’s upset and baggage is such a meaningful part of that.

    So I agree, being patient with and relaxing in this digestion phase you’re in, like everyone’s been saying is a really helpful focus.

    Imagine when the whole world is living in total selfless support for this information and the glorious new world?! As I’ve read and heard many times on the WTM videos and material, the momentum of that will carry any frailty and insecurity we have and sweep them away into utter insignificance because what we are all apart of is just so astonishingly magnificent, this sun of understanding rising higher and higher! The reality is obviously we don’t have that momentum yet but it doesn’t mean that the new world is not as real as that right now, and we can build momentum amongst the few of us who do know the significance of this and I can’t tell you how much strength and inspiration that gives me. Like writing to you now fills me with so much joy. Maybe you’re not ready for more direct contact but maybe there are some videos which may provide more support. I’ve put a couple of links below which really help me in that way. Honestly erpa96 if you could only see how well you are doing, it’s so obvious from where I’m sitting and I hope you don’t mind me saying that I send heaps and heaps of love and new world joy to you!

    Part 2 of this talk
    https://www.humancondition.com/transformation/?videoId=saving-Western-civilisation_div&item=2
    This global transformation meeting
    https://www.humancondition.com/transformation/?videoId=dYj4B9VIl8w

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