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I like to look at both Jeremy’s theory and what it predicts. It seems to me there is so much observational evidence (and empirical evidence in that each person is a human condition experiment in progress) supporting the theory and so much prediction success regarding human behavior that it is hard to honestly deny the ideas are correct. The changes in people that accept the ideas and “transform,” I think also supports the theory. All these osbervational and prediction successes are, I think, strong lines of evidence validating jeremy’s theory.
I am surprised that some government or analytics business has not been using or adopting Jeremy’s theory to predict human behavior, control behavior and make lots of money.
I wish Harari would read Freedom. In the book he says how is it possible that bonobos live in female dominated societies, but why not humans. We cooperate, so why not female leaders? He concludes “we don’t know” why men dominate. This and a million other questions are clearly answered in Freedom. The thing I really like about Sapiens is it clearly asks the big questions that Freedom can answer.
Hi PaulM, thanks for the reply. What I was trying to say about the book is that it shows what happened to us because of the HC. The author does not know about WTM info, but HC understanding can explain why a lot of crazy, destructive things happened.
Unlike religion and other made up myths discussed in the book, HC info gives us real understanding, real context and a real, natural instinct based path to follow without the need for myths. The HC is not a myth and finally humans can live real lives not based on total bull shit!
It has been going on so long it will hard to change, but change we must!
The WTM has helped my life so much for the better.
Thanks Susan. HC understanding is both liberating and scary as we head towards end game.
I want to respond to: “Religion vs. the Human Condition” is one of the most humbling of discussions, as both cannot be proved definitively as of yet.” I just wanted to note that science can prove some things definitively or to the point where the evidence is so overwhelming that there is no other explanation and very little uncertainty. One of the good things about science is recognizing uncertainties or areas where more data/explanation may be needed, but it is a constant march towards understanding. A classic example is gravity. Newton’s Laws prevailed for hundreds of years and are still rock soild in 99.9999 percent of cases on Earth, but Einstein updated Newton when he looked at things on huge scales and light speeds. Newton’s laws are definitive in most cases, but in a few other cases (precession of Mercury etc.) there was uncertainty until Einstein gave us relativity. Newton described gravity (laws), but Relativity gives an explanation/theory of what causes gravity – a huge update (J Griffith gave us a huge update with regard to human behavior!). Religion is about dogma and salvation and does not look at things in terms of uncertainty. There is no room in religion to modify the dogma (e.g., do away with Jesus etc.), if something new comes along. In all cases I can think of (Noah’s Ark, Adam and Eve, Age of the Earth, the Exodus etc.) science has definitively shown these ideas to be incorrect. The idea of an afterlife can’t be tested, so there is no way for science to approach this topic. In my view, religion is dogmatic/biased (not open minded or changing) and about spirituality and feelings and science is unbiased, changeable and based on facts, allowing for decision making and understandings. This being said, I do agree with the HC discussions that today’s science is mechanistic-giving us a very bleak view of human life and our future, but that is another discussion! This will be a big, very humbling change for science in the future.
Last note is that Einstein gave us Relativity that lead to GPS and other technologies and understandings and other great scientists have given us huge advances in medicine etc., but J Griffith has given us a theory that can lead to harmony, love, world peace and happiness for humans. The greatest discovery ever made. It makes me feel good to type this!!!
The word Theory as used in science is considered an explanation based on many lines of evidence and lots of facts. Evolution, the Big Bang, Plate Tectonics, Germ Theory are a few examples of solid science theories or big picture explanations that are widely accepted by the science community because the theories are so well vaiidated. The HC could be put in this category as a science theory or explanation of human behavior. Much more science data will be collected to further validate HC theory in the future. Some day it is my hope HC theory will be as accepted as the other theories listed above. I also hope someday J Griffith will be widely known name like Darwin, Einstein Wegener etc.
I think Jeremy uses Adam and Eve as a metaphor for all humans as they search for knowledge. When humans developed consciousness it conflicted with the instincts – hence leaving behind the Garden of Eden and going into the world to find understanding.
Also, wanted to add that a science theory can be used to make accurate predictions. These predictions can then be tested. In my view HC theory does allow for accurate, precise prediction about human behavior. In my view the ability of the HC to predict and confirm predictions puts it solidly in the realm of science and a science theory.
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I have had similar experiences with science and religion. One thing that helped me is to know is that science is based on facts that are repeatable and provable by others and religion is based feelings and things that can’t be repeated. For example, you can have a spiritual feeling that tells you something is true/real, but you can’t prove it and no one else can disprove it. In other words, feelings are not repeatable by others.
The HC information is science, which means is it repeatable and based on facts, not feelings or intuition. Knowing about the HC may make you feel good, but the science behind it is not feeling based.
Made me sad too. WTM helps!
Hi Dave H,
I enjoyed reading your lament. Hopefully, we have found Eden with the WTM! My problem is how to survive in a world with people that don’t have WTM understandng and how to get them interested. It helps me be empathetic and walk a mile in their shoes. HC understanding also helps me love my family more and love or at least understand everyone.
Thanks for the reply and insight and relief about my kids and grandkids. I plan to do what I can. My wife is, of course, a real natural at nuture and together maybe we can help the kids along the way.
Thanks for the reply. Its exciting for me to see this stuff. I want it to happen!
Great explanation. In my view integrative means to be unconditionally loving, empathetic etc., and in the in end HAPPY!
Hi Suzy, Thanks for the reply and quotes. The idea that we go over the hill and not look back is a good one. “You haven’t resolved the battle, you’ve just left it.” I agree, what a great time to be alive!
Just wanted to note that one of the videos suggests that we all have lots of “prove I am good strategies.” This was a great phrase for me to think of for transforamtion. Everything we do is designed to show how good we area – even being a good person is a prove I’m good strategy. Anyway, this was a good perspective for me as I go about my day. It lets me step back and really look at what I am doing, purpose etc… Little wins all day that add up to … nothing… ha ha
One thing I also wanted to mention and get input on is I don’t want to get too carried away woth self reflection. Still gotta live my life and I want it easy…