Comments on THE Interview

Well said, I agree

As biologist Jeremy Griffith explains in FAQ 1.1, “As I explained in THE Interview and in all my other presentations, we humans once lived in a nurtured-with-unconditional-love, cooperative, selfless and loving innocent state, which the bonobo species of ape is presently on the threshold of achieving (see FAQ 5.2 for the explanation of how we humans acquired our all-loving, unconditionally selfless moral conscience). If we stand back and think about this original cooperative, selfless and loving state and then think about how competitive, selfish and aggressive we humans are now, the contrast between the two states couldn’t be greater. And if we think about that extreme contrast and then think about the situation we have been stuck in for some 2 million years where we haven’t been able to explain our so-called ‘fall from grace’, the corruption of our original all-sensitive and all-loving, innocent instinctive self or soul, then how deeply traumatised with guilt and shame must we humans have been all that time! Certainly, we learnt to block the horror of this situation out of our mind, but that has been the underlying psychological predicament we humans have been enduring. So having had to live with this insufferable, unbearably depressing guilt and shame for having destroyed the magic world of our soul is what the human condition really is!”

You can pursue your interest by visiting the WTM homepage where you’ll find a guide to learning more, and if you are a Facebook user, we encourage you to join our Facebook group. It is a thriving community where everyone is learning about the human condition and sharing in the excitement of the genuinely new world that this understanding brings.

    As we explain to Kirsty below, the more people digest this scientific explanation, the more they see that it does not rob life or explanations of life of its ‘spiritual’ dimension. As Jeremy Griffith has written in one of his earlier books (A Species In Denial), “The demystification of our world doesn’t mean the specialness of our world is removed, rather it means the specialness is made more tangible. Mechanistic science, like all forms of denial, has largely been a process of stripping the beauty and truth from the world whereas the denial-free explanation of the world restores all that beauty and truth. It allows humans to live with a full awareness of, and ability to savour, the beauty of integration. It is alienation that is devoid of spirituality, not the truth.” As we mention to Kirsty, you might be interested in our FAQ 6.7 ‘How can a scientific explanation ever hope to account for and encompass the great ‘spiritual’ dimension we know exists in life? / Isn’t ‘spirituality’ beyond a purely rational explanation?’     With regard to Jordan Peterson, ater THE Interview we encourage people to watch/read our Introductory Videos/Freedom Essays 1-4 and 14 on our homepage, and you will see in Video/Freedom Essay 14 that Jeremy discusses Jordan Peterson’s work, which he describes as immensely heroic yet ultimately doomed, because only the psychosis-addressing-and-solving, real explanation of the human condition can stop the destruction of our world and the disintegration of society that is happening everywhere we look. It is precisely this real psychologically redeeming and transforming explanation that Jeremy has delivered in his first principle-based biological understanding of the human condition. But while Peterson does not explain the biology of the human condition correctly, Jeremy is very appreciative of his work, and hopefully at some stage they get together to create a Podcast.

Yes! We suggest that the more people digest this explanation, the more they see that it does not rob life or explanations of life of its ‘spiritual’ dimension. People might find our FAQs about religion of interest, in particular FAQ 6.7 ‘How can a scientific explanation ever hope to account for and encompass the great ‘spiritual’ dimension we know exists in life? / Isn’t ‘spirituality’ beyond a purely rational explanation?’

    Thank you for your comment Terje. We respectfully suggest that the more you digest this understanding, the more you will realise that the ‘instinct vs intellect’ clash, and resulting psychologically upset state, is fundamental to any understanding of human behaviour. One thing in particular that it is important to point out is that concepts of ‘Strategy’ are ultimately based on the idea that our selfish “egoistic” behaviour is the result of selfish genes within us, however, we can now understand that our core instinctive orientation is to be loving and cooperative (see more on this in Freedom Essay 21). Unable to defend our non-loving, divisive behaviour, admitting our core instinctive orientation was to be loving and cooperative left us unbearably condemned, and so we employed the false excuse that we have ‘savage instincts’ like other animals, and we respectfully suggest that attributing our behaviour to evolved ‘strategies’ is a form of this denial.     With regard to consciousness, we recommend chapter 7 of Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM, which explains consciousness in great detail.

Bless the Irish! Because this is a completely accountable defence of humanity’s psychologically upset angry, egocentric and alienated condition, it won’t take “legal jurisdiction/control” to implement it. We suggest that as you digest this understanding you will see that everyone, no matter how egocentric, will quickly realise how empty and obsolete their strategy is now that we have the fully accountable, psychosis-addressing-and-solving, real biological explanation of the human condition that proves our worth at the most fundamental level. You might be interested in our FAQ 1.40, which addresses the questions of ‘How can you hope to transform the world? — In particular, how are you going to change the behaviour of the rich and powerful? / How are you going to reach the bastions of power? / Won’t the greedy and power-hungry simply ignore this?’

Great to have your interest Annie. To learn more go to the top of our homepage—HumanCondition.com—it states ‘WHAT NEXT after watching THE Interview?’ and guides you through the steps to pursue your interest. This includes registering for our free weekly emails, and joining our popular Facebook Group where there is much fascinating discussion and interaction.

Quite educative, instructive and uplifting.

As THE Interview explains, the story of Adam and Eve is a pre-scientific metaphor for the emergence of consciousness and its clash with our pre-established, cooperative loving instincts, resulting in humans becoming psychologically upset or ‘sinful’ or ‘evil’. However, significantly we can now understand, from scientific first principles, that ‘Adam and Eve’ were ‘good’ to search for knowledge, not bad or ‘evil’; we humans are actually the absolute heroes of the whole story! What THE Interview presents fundamentally lifts the ‘burden of guilt’ from the human race and allows us to forgive ourselves and others and finally end our psychologically troubled human condition — it couldn’t be a bigger breakthrough.

    Certainly some people have had an awareness of the insecurity that has been dictating everyone’s behaviour, but our endeavours in philosophy, psychology and biology have failed, until now, to provide a truthful, real, fully accountable, genuinely clarifying explanation. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy presents here.     With regard to this work threatening those of faith, by bringing biological understanding to pre-scientific concepts it at last reconciles science and religion — but rather than threatening religions, what people discover is it is the fulfilment of a time that all the great prophets looked forward to when we could actually explain ourselves (see our FAQs about religion especially FAQ 6.2 ‘What is God’). As Jeremy explains in chapter 9.9 of his book FREEDOM: “Although this new world for humans, which the World Transformation Movement has been established to facilitate, will have a slow beginning because humans initially find it difficult even taking in or ‘hearing’ discussion about the human condition, once the WTM is discovered, word of it and what it offers every human and the world will spread like wildfire.’” And so even though we haven’t yet reached the tipping point in terms of awareness of this great breakthrough, you can see from the excitement and relief in our ecstatic responses to THE Interview, we are well on our way! Also, on our homepage, you can see the rapidly growing appreciation and support for Jeremy’s work with outstanding commendations from thought leaders and WTM Centres all over the world!

This is a life saving interview. It unlocked the hidden facts of the human condition.

Thanks Bogdan. We suggest that the more you digest this scientific explanation of our condition, the more you will see that it actually encompasses the ‘spiritual’ dimension of life. We thought you might find our FAQs about religion of interest, in particular FAQ 6.7 ‘How can a scientific explanation ever hope to account for and encompass the great ‘spiritual’ dimension we know exists in life? / Isn’t ‘spirituality’ beyond a purely rational explanation?’

Hi Sinkala, we agree, it is incredibly important that all Jeremy Griffith’s material is translated into all the languages in the world, and that is quickly happening. We have a Translations page, where all the translated material is collected. And, you can watch THE Interview, and all the videos on our website, using the closed captions or subtitles function in any language (just click on the ‘cc’ icon at the bottom of the video player/window).

Even though the instinct vs intellect concept is actually very simple, we humans have lived in such fear and denial of our corrupted condition that we can find it difficult to ‘hear’ or take in discussion of it. For people new to this concept, we recommend Jeremy’s recent presentation The Great Guilt, which explains this ‘Deaf Effect’ in depth. If you want a quick summary, we recommend FAQ 1.3.

Hi Faiz, please visit our Translations page, where you will find Farsi translations of both THE Interview, and another significant presentation, titled The Great Guilt, which we recommend people watch and/or read after THE Interview.

I need to read this interview earnestly so I can be of some help to others. Thanks.

Hi Navin, thank you for your interest. THE Interview is freely available to read as a transcript here (or you can purchase copies from bookshops, including Amazon). There is much to consider and absorb so re-watching or reading THE Interview is exactly what we recommend people do in any case!

    That is simply not correct about bonobo ‘war’. Bonobos are not territorial and no one has ever recorded a bonobo death in the wild as a result of aggression from another bonobo.     With regard to science, what is presented is the completely accountable, fully logical, scientific explanation of the human condition. ‘Science’ is held in the highest regard; what is not held in high regard is the contrived excuses that mechanistic human condition science has come up for our condition, such that it is all in our genes.     Finally, Jeremy’s work doesn’t unfairly focus on the failing of the left, which is that its insistence on ideal behaviour had the effect of oppressing and thus regressing the search for knowledge, but rather, through bringing a profound understanding to the human condition, it will ultimately bring an end to the whole ugly business of politics. In fact, the final paradox of the human condition is that through the right wing upholding the selfishness needed to persevere with the search for knowledge, we all now become left-wing (as it were, although the truth is that there will be no more politics). This is fully explained in our FAQs about politics.

Solving the human condition solves all the confusion, frustration and suffering in human life at its source. Certainly, as Jeremy Griffith explains in Part 4 of THE Interview, we can all immediately take advantage of the Transformed State that is on offer, but what is being presented here brings about a future in which humanity will no longer suffer from the human condition. With the corrupting journey to find understanding of the human condition now over, future generations will not be psychologically upset angry, egocentric and alienated as we are; humans will be free of that straight-jacket, and enjoy a future of excitement, peace and love.

Hi Sabino, we recommend reading Jeremy Griffith’s 2023 booklet, AI & Aliens: the truthful analysis, which is available free of charge on our home page amongst our Key Books. Given Jeremy’s phenomenal clarity of thought and capacity for insight, it should be very interesting and helpful to hear his thoughts on the much discussed question of Artificial Intelligence and whether it poses a danger to humans. It is absolutely astonishingly insightful!

Yes, we are angry, egocentric and alienated, but we are also the heroes of the whole story of life on Earth. Such is the paradox of the human condition. The following passage illustrating this duality is by Jeremy Griffith is from FAQ 4.6, “being able to finally understand and defend our corrupted condition, understand the good reason for what used to be called our ‘badness’ or ‘evil’, enables us to own and acknowledge our corrupted condition. We can now understand that the situation is two sided; everyone is equally good, worthwhile and wonderful but everyone is variously corrupted.”

Good question Roland. With understanding of the human condition we can now understand that humans are not ‘bad’ or ‘evil’ to have destroyed our Edenic, all-loving, all-cooperative past. We can now understand that we have all all-loving, all-cooperative, all-sensitive instincts, but we had to defy them in order to master the power of the conscious mind. As Jeremy Griffith writes in chapter 1:3 of his definitive book FREEDOM, “We have now finally broken through and found the full truth that explains that humans are wonderful beings after all. In fact, not just wonderful but the heroes of the whole story of life on Earth. This is because our fully conscious mind is surely—given its phenomenal ability to understand the world—nature’s greatest invention, so for us humans who were given this greatest of all inventions to develop, to be made to endure the torture of being unjustly condemned as bad or evil for doing just that, and to have had to endure that torture for so long, some 2 million years (the time we have likely been fully conscious), has to make us the absolute heroes of the story of life on Earth. We were given the hardest, toughest of tasks, and against all the odds we completed it. Humans are the champions of the story of life on Earth. We are so, so wonderful! Yes, we can at last understand the absolutely extraordinary paradox that neither Pascal nor Shakespeare could at all understand, of how on earth could we humans be ‘god’-‘like’ in our ‘infinite’ ‘faculty’ of ‘reason’ and ‘apprehension’, a ‘glor[ious]’, ‘angel’-‘like’ ‘prodigy’ capable of being a ‘judge of all things’ and a ‘repository of truth’, and yet seemingly behave so appallingly that we appear to be ‘monster[s]’, ‘imbecile[s]’, ‘a sewer of uncertainty and error’ and ‘chaos’, the ‘essence’ of ‘dust’, ‘the scum of the universe’. We have made sense of the seemingly nonsensical!!!”

Thank you Maud. Yes, a lot to absorb, and yes, as is explained in THE Interview, the story of Adam and Eve is a pre-scientific metaphor for the emergence of consciousness and its clash with our pre-established, cooperative loving instincts, resulting in humans ‘fall’ or them becoming psychologically upset or ‘sinful’. However as Jeremy stresses, we can now understand, from scientific first principles, that ‘Adam and Eve’ were ‘good’ to search for knowledge, not bad or ‘evil’. And with that redeeming answer to the human condition now found, our psychological upset (so called ‘sinful’ or ‘fallen’ state) can actually subside.

Hi Anne, humans have indeed been a puzzle or appeared very complex because of our contradictory behaviour. We can behave in the most loving, altruistic way but also be the cruelest creatures on earth as you say. Ultimately to solve this puzzle and liberate ourselves from our conflicted human condition we needed to find the scientific explanation for WHY when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy Griffith presents in THE Interview and his book FREEDOM. Now with this crux issue compassionately explained it unleashes the brain food we have desperately needed to be able to think effectively. Also Anne you may find our reply to Connie below helpful as it also discusses this.

Thank you for your thoughts Connie which we appreciate you contributing. If you haven’t watched THE Interview it’s the best introduction to Jeremy Griffith’s explanation of the human condition. In it he explains what our mind needs is the answer to the age old question of humanity’s extremely paradoxical nature: why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Without this answer we have heroically tried different techniques for calming, restraining, repressing, and even transcending our psychologically upset human condition, including positive thinking. This has been very valuable in managing our upset, but none of them have stopped the destruction of our world and the disintegration of society that is happening everywhere we look. The reason is because they don’t solve the human condition. They don’t deal with the source of our species’ corrupted condition and bring relieving understanding to it. This is what Jeremy Griffith’s treatise does and why it is heralded as the biological breakthrough that can save the world. To quote from our FAQ 6.5 which explains the great difference between Jeremy’s work and self-help or new age type movements, “There has been much talk of the need to love each other and the environment, but the real need on Earth has been to love the dark side of ourselves, to find reconciling and redeeming understanding of our species’ extraordinary capacity for brutality, selfish indifference to others, hate, anger, oppression, meanness, cruelty, devastation and destruction—to explain the psychological origins of our deeply distressed so-called human condition and by so doing heal our troubled souls and set ourselves free from our 2-million-years corrupted condition.” As you rightly say the key to change is our minds but our mind needs answers or knowledge — anything less was bound to be ineffective. We suggest this is the real and lasting transformation that the human race has lived in hope, faith and trust would one day occur. It is the revolution of our minds.

Great to learn of your interest Victor. Hard copies of Jeremy Griffith’s books, including THE Interview and his main book FREEDOM, can be purchased from Amazon or other good bookstores. Also, electronic copies are immediately available for free to read online/download/print/listen to at HERE on our honmepage. You can also download free Kindle versions from Amazon.

Hi Charlie, we certainly respect people’s religious views and Jeremy Griffith’s explanation of the human condition doesn’t actually contradict a belief in God or Christianity. It simply brings biological understanding to all those pre-scientific concepts. In fact, Jeremy considers the Bible to be a repository of extremely rare denial-free truth about human life albeit from that pre-scientific view. In dealing with such a historically difficult subject for us humans, these biological explanations of the human condition are very confronting by nature and in addition although ultimately a fulfilment of religion (as explained in our FAQs about religion), they do demystify religious concepts which some people can find incredibly challenging if they prefer a more literal interpretation of scripture rather than our more biological, science-based interpretation. Also, readers of these comments, may find FAQ 1.13 ‘Is this idea original or new? / How does this instinct vs intellect explanation of the human condition differ from other theories that recognise these elements?’ of interest.

Hi Annie and thanks for your comment. All humans can stop feeling guilty now whether they are idealistic or realistic and what you start to realise, as you absorb this understanding further, is that becoming realistic was exactly what humans responsibly had to do. As THE Interview explains the whole objective of the human journey was to find understanding of why when the ideals are to be cooperative and loving are we so divisively competitive and aggressive. That is the great riddle of the human condition that had to be explained, and what is finally revealed with Jeremy Griffith’s biological explanation is that there has been an all-important, good reason for that divisive behaviour. It’s always been easy to side with idealism and denigrate realism, but now at last we can understand we have had to become competitive, aggressive and selfish to champion our fully conscious mind. And paradoxically, by explaining the very good reason why our intellect had to defy our instincts, it makes redundant our defensive behaviours of anger, egocentricity and alienation, allowing us to end the perpetuation of our destructive behaviour! Also Jeremy has produced a companion presentation to THE Interview titled The Great Guilt that explains the shame and guilt our whole species carries is because we had to corrupt our all-loving and sensitive soul and become ‘realistic’ when the human condition first emerged some two million years ago which is absolutely fascinating. You can watch it HERE on the WTM website.

Hi Lennart, you can freely watch, listen to, or read THE Interview at the top of our homepage where you will also see some of the ecstatic daily responses it is receiving! Also THE Interview is available to read in other languages which you can access on our Translations page. Once you have looked at THE Interview our homepage guides you through the next best steps to pursue your understanding including subscribing to our free mailing list where you will receive one free email per week and occasional updates. We also recommend joining our Facebook Group for helpful and thought-provoking conversations.

Thank you very much for your interest Ray! The main point to make is that until we found the reconciling explanation of the human condition it hasn’t been possible to legitimately “set a more cooperative example”. It is now ‘legitimate’ because at last we have the first principle-based science which makes our angry, aggressive, egocentric state redundant, instead of trying to deny or transcending it. As with any new scientific breakthrough in history it will take time to gain mainstream acceptance, and from there break through the bastions of power in the world. However, with support from those who appreciate this understanding, the truth is that this enlightening, uplifting and healing explanation of the human condition is SO liberating and SO exciting that it won’t be long be everyone realises that it is completely pointless to keep trying to compensate for their insecurity through the pursuit of power, fame, fortune and glory. Our FAQ 1.40 addresses the questions of ‘How can you hope to transform the world? — In particular, how are you going to change the behaviour of the rich and powerful? / How are you going to reach the bastions of power? / Won’t the greedy and power-hungry simply ignore this?’ It explains that “Even those who were most committed to defensively seeking validation through gaining power and material goods, including those entrenched in positions of power, will quickly realise how empty and obsolete that strategy is now that we have the fully accountable, psychosis-addressing-and-solving, real biological explanation of the human condition that proves our worth at the most fundamental level.”

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It was great ! Thank you Jeremy, it help me to understand what was happening with myself and others. I feel relief. Everyone should watch it 🙏

Part 4 of THE Interview, titled ‘How does the psychological rehabilitation of the human race that the arrival of understanding of the human condition finally makes possible actually occur?’, presents the answer to how this understanding allows us to transform our lives. It explains that it will take a number of generations for the upset within us to be completely healed but it also stresses importantly we can be immediately free of its effects. Certainly there is habituation to overcome and humans do find change difficult but at last we can understand our behaviour has been driven by a deep insecurity about our fundamental goodness or worth and so now that our goodness is biologically established we no longer have to behave insecurely and selfishly and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living. ‘Legitimately’ because we have the first principle science which liberates us to be honest about our conflicted upset state instead of denying or transcending it. So instead of being focused on power, fame, fortune and glory, all our energies will be freed to truly work together on doing whatever it takes to end the suffering and save our world.

While the teachings of Christ (and other religions) contain all manner of truths about human life, it is all from a pre-scientific view. Ultimately we needed to find the scientific explanation for why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy Griffith presents which actually reconciles science and religion. You might be interested in our FAQs on Religion.

Kshitij, we are very glad THE Interview resonated with you so strongly. With regard to getting a hardcopy of FREEDOM, I don’t know if Amazon delivers to Nepal, but if they don’t, almost any bookstore should be able to order FREEDOM. Alternatively, if you really want a hardcopy (as opposed to an electronic copy, which is freely available on our homepage), then perhaps you might be able to download and print out our PDF. You can see binding instructions at https://www.humancondition.com/freedom-free-to-read-print-bind/.

Yes, that is true. While Christianity and other religions contain all manner of truths about human life, it is all from a pre-scientific view. Ultimately, for our species to be completely healed for all time, we needed to find the scientific understanding for why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy Griffith presents which actually reconciles science and religion.