Comments on THE Interview

Since THE Interview  between Craig Conway and Jeremy Griffith first aired in 2020, tens of thousands of viewers have commented on it on HumanCondition.com — this is an archive of all those comments, including helpful responses from our team.

This is page 50 of 180 (pages run from the oldest comments to the latest).

The Comments below were made between August 25, 2022 and August 28, 2022.

Muhammad Shuaibu

Enlightening and intellectually stimulating.

John Darcy

Very enlightening videos & l will get the book

WTM Admin

Great to have your interest John. Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM and his other key books including a booklet version of THE Interview, are freely available on our homepage here to read online, print and download. You can also purchase hardcopies and download free Kindle versions from Amazon.

Eric Eesiah

What is milestone in the work of science

Manju Tiwari

Very nice and valuable interview for all of us in the world including myself as a senior author and a clinical psychologist from Kathmandu! Thank you so much!

Joann

Loved the presentation it’s deep but understandable. I would like to understand the concept even further. Everyone needs to hear this

Simen Terje Lauvli

Really amazing, it’s like waking up to something I’ve known my whole life but not have been able to articulate. Thank you so much, love and light to all.

Stuart Parks

A key of understanding that helps unlock life.

Elena Young

This makes perfect sense. Understanding is the first step to healing.

Kelvin Kaira

Really amazing!

Diana

Wow. I love this! This is an amazing explanation of the human condition and way to go forward. Much love ❤❤

Arshad Khan

Love the perspective he views human behaviour with and we definitely need to understand ourselves way better to stop the self destruct mode we currently are in to save the human race

Natalia Angelina Vizcarra

Could you please inform me about they spanish version of the book Freedom

WTM Admin

Hi Natalia, you can see all our Spanish translations, including chapters 1 - 5 of FREEDOM (it won’t be long until we have translated the whole book!) and THE Interview, as well as the first Freedom Essay, on our Translations page. Also the WTM Colombian Centre presents its website in Spanish, including centre founder Carlos Cruz Blanco’s welcome video, so there is a feast of material available!

Dr Kate Dutt (India)

This is a timely interview that makes us comprehend the end of trauma and ushering in of a new light at the end of the tunnel. Psychological rehabilitation is the need of the hour and that has been rightly explained.

Hendri Mostert

After watching the interview, reading Death by Dogma, Deaf Effect, Transform Your Life, my life is in the active process of transforming (Truly I say unto thee). It’s still so hard to explain, but the understanding itself is liberation. I am still “growing accustomed to the light”, while slowly tackling FREEDOM. In a very real sense I can feel my nervous system releasing years of trauma that nothing else has been able to do. This includes meditation, breathing techniques, new age BS, spirituality, trying to succomb to religious dogma in desperation to liberate these super tense nerves in my body(which actually added to my trauma). NOTHING has been able to get me past my past trauma, which is a long story... EXCEPT this very real understanding of the human condition. And all I am doing is reading, and understanding flows. Absolutely this is it. Thank you Uncle Jeremy, and all the great philosophers upon whose shoulders you and we all stand. Tears they are a flowing... Thank you

Estee Auerbach

Brilliant!! Could not stop but think if we teach this incredible knowing in schools what will our world look like. Thank you both for sharing this beautiful message with us ♥️

Chikadi A J - Germany

...The human history might have gone wrong...This is a good and frank attempt to correct the human condition. Human beings are truly 👋 good...

Garry

Collective unconscious thought created the human condition.

WTM Admin

We suggest that the more you digest this understanding Garry, you will see that there is a ‘collective unconscious’ but that it is a shared by all loving,, cooperative instinctive moral self or soul - see Part 3 of THE Interview - but that these pre-established instincts then in effect criticised the conscious mind’s necessary experiments in self-management. All humans now live in a psychologically upset state as a result of the historic clash.

Islam Mohammed

This interview is the pre requesit for every & each person living in this world so that the various problems facing their lives can be solved

Jacquelyn Rahman

I am not a scientist or biologist, I am a layman where this study is concerned, but I am a human being in search of answers of the human condition because I know this stuff going on is not right. Through meditation and self awareness I have reached heights that enables me to appreciate and understand what you are conveying. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this. Now I have an even deeper understanding that can propel me in my search for my true nature 🙏🏽

Darko Gojanovic

Thanks for interesting lecture of human evolution. What I am missing is how we can achieve original traits of humanity? What is education and upbringing to bring us back?

WTM Admin

As Part 4, titled ‘How does the psychological rehabilitation of the human race that the arrival of understanding of the human condition finally makes possible actually occur?’ explains it will take a number of generations for the upset within us to be completely healed but it also stresses importantly we can be immediately free of its effects. Certainly there is habituation to overcome and humans do find change difficult but at last we can understand our behaviour has been driven by a deep insecurity about our fundamental goodness or worth and so now that our goodness is biologically established we no longer have to behave insecurely and selfishly and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living. ‘Legitimately’ because we have the first principle science which liberates us to be honest about our conflicted upset state instead of denying or transcending it. So instead of being focused on power, fame, fortune and glory, all our energies will be freed to truly work together on doing whatever it takes to end the suffering and save our world. How this healing is immediately open to us all is summarised in FAQ 1.5 about ‘How can you hope to transform the world?

Federico Sare

Absolute Neccesity to Learn and Be a Part of for HUMANITY’s Sake!!!

Palia Loras

Very interesting. I need copies of Jeremy Griffith’s books including that of Freedom. How do I get hold of those? His explanation in the interview is superb and crystal clear for any to easily understand.

WTM Admin

Hi Palia, thanks for the comment! Electronic copies of Jeremy Griffith’s books are immediately available for free here on our homepage. This includes his definitive book FREEDOM and THE Interview. You can also download free Kindle versions from Amazon, where you can also purchase a hardcopy if you’d prefer.

Moses Mupanga

Let me say, its a life impacting attempt and pure effort toward the discovery of the reasons behind the human condition. This carries the purity that can cure our societies.

varun chand

100% THANK YOU

Eugene Young

Thanks I have been looking at this a long time, the world needs this knowledge.

Eveline Horelle Dailey

Passing this on

Ragini Shekhawat

Everything is making sense now, thanks Jeremy Griffith 💐

James Burke

Excellent interview and outlook on life. I’ve always believed that school was toxic. I’ve known this from a very early age. I’m a firm believer that less is more. I don’t believe I’ve ever been loved.

Henok

Swedenborg inner meaning of the bible is relevant here!

WTM Admin

The human condition is the study of humans’ capacity for so-called ‘good and evil’and is therefore the realm of inquiry where science and religion overlap, so in explaining the human condition religion is demystified and explained. Jeremy Griffith’s treatise actually reconciles science and religion by bringing biological understanding to pre-scientific concepts. You might be interested in our FAQs about religion.

Ras Wayo Esq, Ghana

A new revolution in critical thinking, awakening significant scientific misrepresentation of human behaviour!

Orisi Cagilaba

The unsolved mysteries that have been our human barriers in the past

Antonio

You lost me when you said that we gained Free Will....We don’t and having a conscious mind concerning The Present Moment does not render you the owner of Free Will.

Kalejaye

Thanks for the enlightenment, it’s healing

LILYBETH CLOSA

I pray that the human condition be healed & guided accordingly & evil vanished totally.

Eric Osa Laate

A treasure of wisdom to live by.

Don Forget

Boy I sure hope the political people would read this or there will be another world in a short time coming since some of us humans in high power are using that power to control what we have come to achieve

Jonathan Enyike

Awesome

Change Parker

Good explanation. I would add however that many many people (humans) have not developed their conscious egos and are still in thrall to their instincts. And even knowing that humans have a psychological condition and understanding what it is, does not provide a path for most people learning how to manage and calm their angry psychological condition

WTM Admin

Thank you for your thoughts Change. We suggest the more you digest this presentation, the more you realise just how ubiquitous the human condition is; an insecurity about our self worth is behind all our behaviour and everyone suffers from it. And regarding this understanding providing a path to “manage and calm their angry psychological condition” (which is very well put!), what is so extraordinary about Jeremy Griffith’s biological treatise is that it logically and accountably defends human selfishness and egocentricity. And it is only with that defence of our ‘dark side’, through finding the good reason that we had to defy our instincts, that we can reconcile ourselves with our instincts and behave intuitively, because all our defensive behaviours (our anger, egocentricity and alienation) are now redundant. We no longer need them because we have the real defense for why we had to defy our instincts.

Kwasi Baah

A great research outcome that explains the human condition, an explanation that has eluded humanity for thousands of years.

Gerard Songi

I am blown way out by the insight and explanation of understanding the human condition by Biologist Jeremy Griffith

Razza Shaikh

Please change the world by teaching the rulers of all countries in the world.

Imre Bíró

Interesting and can be true but healing is very far away. Unfortunately nowadays the world is running towards absolutly opposit direction. I do not understand why is so much “dark” energia in the mind of mankind. All hate and murder because of being upset? What if it is too late now? What will happen with our small children? What kind of world will they live?

WTM Admin

    Thank you for your comment, Imre. Yes, we are certainly in critical need of a deeper understanding of ourselves so we can put an end to all the suffering and horror that our condition creates. And we suggest that the more you digest Jeremy Griffith’s ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation, the more you will realise how accountable it is in getting to the source of all humanity’s psychological upset, which in the extreme, produces people who are capable of cruelty. Of course this breakthrough explanation doesn’t condone or sanction the horrendous atrocities humans can commit rather, through bringing compassionate understanding to the source of humans’ upset behaviour, it gives us the power to ameliorate and thus subside and ultimately eliminate it, see FAQ 1.38 ‘Aren’t some people just born psychopathic, or even ‘evil’? / How does this explanation rehabilitate people capable of ‘evil’ behaviour? / Does this condone ‘evil’ behaviour?’. As the late Professor Harry Prosen, psychiatrist and former president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, said: ‘I have no doubt Jeremy Griffith’s biological explanation of the human condition is the holy grail of insight we have sought for the psychological rehabilitation of the human race.’     And don’t despair Imre. While this necessarily has a slow start, humanity’s uptake of the explanation of the human condition has a fast finish as the selflessness it liberates in people will not only quickly solve all the problems on the planet, including teaching other people about this redeeming information, but the excitement and joy it brings means everyone will want to get on board as quickly as they can (see FAQ 1.5)! As Jeremy Griffith explains in his book FREEDOM chapter 9:9: “Although this new world for humans, which the World Transformation Movement has been established to facilitate, will, as has been stated, have a slow beginning because humans initially find it difficult even taking in or ‘hearing’ discussion about the human condition, once the WTM is discovered, word of it and what it offers every human and the world will spread like wildfire.’”

Miesso Nebi

Interesting, changed my attitude about the human condition

Thomas Kapigeno

Very valuable and inspirational information. Thanks for sharing. A psychologically sane mind is truly powerful.

Rosalyn Webumo

Wonderful

Tawfik Bechri

Great job by a great man. This book has to be taught to all decision makers.

Siby Joseph

It is an eye opener for those who seek the truth behind the human sufferings and chaos in the world. Needs to be propagated through education and advocacy. I would be excited to be a part of this mission.

Lamont Evans

If his explanation goes against what God said in the Bible he is WRONG WE the creation can’t explan are self batter then the Creator which is God

Dikendra Raj Kandel

Most amazing thought about liberation of human race!

Gima R (PNG)

Very interesting. Thankyou for sharing.

Fatiha

Je suis très contente de découvrir qu’il existe des gens qui pense à la souffrance humaine. aine à tous ses peuples malheureux dont le mande entier se moque et ignore ce qu ils endurant. Merci pour cette excellente émission qui j’espère attirera l’attention de beaucoup d’entre ceux qui n’ont jamais accordé un intérêt aux autres qui vivent dans l’ombre. [Translation from French: I am very happy to discover that there are people who think about human suffering and all these unfortunate people who the whole world doesn’t care about and doesn’t know what they endure. Thank you for this excellent program that I hope will attract the attention of many of those who have never given an interest to others who live in the shadows]

Bejiga Cheru

I want to join the team as of today

WTM Admin

It is wonderful to learn of your enthusiasm for our work! We have a helpful guide on our website for people who want to help and join the WTM which you can see here. We encourage people to subscribe to our mailing list, watch our key introductory material including THE Interview, read FREEDOM, become a member and interact with us. You may also be interested in joining our Facebook Community Group.

Claude Wray

Interesting and insightful message, if leaders around the world have a slight underdstanding of this, the world would be a much better place.

patty lesinski

...Wow..my soul thanks you xo

Joshua

How can we unlearn the past misinformation, to recondition life afresh, while lies are celebrated more than this liberating truth.

WTM Admin

Hi Joshua, because this liberating truth is accountable, rational scientific explanation, our minds will all eventually absorb, understand and adopt it. Of course, we have all had to live our lives without explanation up to this point, and so there is a lot of habituation to overcome, but as Part 4 of THE Interview explains, this redeeming, uplifting and healing explanation of the human condition is SO liberating and SO exciting it is actually easy to access the transformation this brings about.

Dinesh Pessumal Khemani

Interesting and thought provoking.

DR. KRISHNAJI KULKARNI

Instinct Vs Intelligence - very good. SELF - knowledge is ultimate. That includes knowledge of the world around you. Whole is Holy and hence Healing. I am practising Consultant Psychiatrist. Conducting and moderating weekly group meetings on “LIFE AND LIVING” for the last 25 years.

Anita Mathew

Most interesting, would like to be a member of this most needed movement right now.

WTM Admin

Thanks Anita, we very much appreciate your interest in this world-saving project! We have a guide here on our website for people who want to help and join the WTM, which includes subscribing to our mailing list, watching our key introductory material (including THE Interview, which you have done here), reading FREEDOM, becoming a member and interacting with us. We have a thriving WTM Community with over 45 global WTM Centres and we have regular webinars and meetings to discuss this incredible transformation — see our WTM Community page. And we also have a Facebook Community, so feel free to join and share in the discussion, excitement and fellowship there and on our website!

Abel Chanda

Very enlightening subject. Truly refreshing.

Vishwanath Gurjar

I would love to know more about this very very important issue.

Meenakshi Mitra Dixit

Surely a marvellous tool to understand our evolving human condition and orientation. We need to listen to this repeatedly to truly grasp its essence and depth and then apply it sympathetically to why we are...the way we are.

Cecilia

Incredible, congratulations…

Andrew

Absolutely brilliant and your ability to explain it is fantastic.

Abhay Shete

Wonderful concept. Shifting from intellect to intuitive behaviour is the answer is what I understand. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

WTM Admin

What is so extraordinary about Jeremy Griffith’s biological treatise is that it logically and accountably defends human selfishness and egocentricity. And it is only with that defence of our ‘dark side’, through finding the good reason that we had to defy our instincts, that we can reconcile ourselves with our instincts and behave intuitively, because all our defensive behaviours (our anger, egocentricity and alienation) are now redundant. We no longer need them because we have the real defense for why we had to defy our instincts, see FAQ 6.5.

Chris Osadebay

A great insight about the human condition. I believe this will unbundle the true Essence of human existence.

Neveron Adams

Would love to know more

WTM Admin

Great to have your interest Neveron. Our homepage — HumanCondition.com — provides an initial guide to learn more (and it is all FREE, and no registration required). At the top of the homepage it states ‘WHAT NEXT after watching THE Interview?’ and leads you through the steps to pursue your interest! Our interactive live events with Jeremy Griffith and others are also a great way to have questions answered, and interact with others to enhance your comprehension of this breakthrough explanation of the human condition. You can register for these totally free events on our homepage here. Also our Facebook Group provides a wonderful platform for participating in, or just observing, interesting and exciting discussion with others about how we can live with this critical new science.

John Gawi

Growing up in a religious background teaches us of all things good of mind and soul and yet, the real world is totally opposite. On the other hand, scientists are looking for more intelligent life out in space, entitles that we may call Gods. We actually need to look into ourselves to understand we are looking at the wrong place.If everyone shows love,compassion and understanding to the next person, the world would be a better place.

WTM Admin

Yes, the human condition is behind all our vices, including our anger, ego, lust, attachment and greed. These are all symptoms of our insecure human condition, so ultimately, to reform those behaviours we had to end that underlying insecurity, get to the core of the problem and fix that. And so it hasn’t been as simple as just acting with “love,compassion and understanding” – ultimately, only the defence of our ‘dark side’, through finding the good reason that we had to defy our instincts, would allow us to act with love and compassion, because only now are all our defensive behaviours (our anger, egocentricity and alienation) redundant. We no longer need them because we have the real defense for why we had to defy our instincts.

Nicholas Boco

Interesting and intriguing…worth to spend more time to understand and appreciate…

Ebenezer Aryee

This is quite refreshing and deep.

Hannah Mburu

This is wonderful news. The world needs such beautiful sharing. It propells insight.

ISLAM MOHAMMED

VERY NICE & most needed programme It is the need of the time

Patricia Besa

This is timely and just the kind of knowledge and understanding we need to make this world a peaceful place again. Wonderful piece of teaching.

Sabrina

Just ordered the book after many videos watched. I have to say tears of hope began to come to my surface. I am beginning this journey.....thank you!!

Mary Sherman

Thank You! Amazing! This information has lifted my Soul.

William Nwamu

Quite a breakaway from the limiting savage views of human condition

Nurudeen Adedimeji

This interview opens an entirely new and wide vista of understanding Life and Living. I consider myself extremely fortunate to have come across it. Great thinking, good job.

Mary Jenna Jones

Your message made me sleep easier the very first time that I heard it.

Suresh Vaghela

Revolutionary movement and transparent breakthrough in understanding the hidden truth, has opened a new door in this region

Tola

Impressive

EMan

Thank you for sharing this interview, I’m drawn by the purpose of understanding more about our existence. The simple question that had been constantly bothered my thought every after attending a worship service with my family, that I eventually retracted in my mid 20's. That question was, " why I had to feel unworthy every time I came out of that religious service. I don’t need to feel that way for the rest of my life...

WTM Admin

Yes EMan, questions about our worth and fallen state are central to understanding the human condition. The start point for addressing your question is understanding that the issue of the human condition has been the most terrifying of subjects to face as it is the issue of whether we are fundamentally good or bad as a species and until that could be solved we have necessarily had to live in almost total denial of it. Which then allows us to appreciate the significant role that religion has played – in a world of (necessary denial), it acted as the custodian of the ideal state and as a means of solace for those exhausted by the corrupting journey; our FAQs about the demystification of religion may be of interest. However, for those not as exhausted, religions admonitions to behave in an ideal way, could be seen as oppressive. In FAQ 6.3 Jeremy explains that, “With understanding of the human condition we can now appreciate that in order to encourage people to adhere to the integrative, ‘Godly’, cooperative ideals of life, religions sought to restrain ‘upset’ behaviour by making people fearful of behaving in an overly angry, egocentric and alienated way.”

Anne Shillam

Parts one and two are full of connective tissue. As Jeremy Griffith said, science progresses funeral by funeral. Let’s move on toward greater understanding and quality of life. More light. Fewer funerals?

Kofi Asare

A real transformational message worth listening to and practicing.

Charlie Thomas Lopal

The explanation out here is really brilliant. It explains the core foundation of human beings as to who we are and what we are. Thanks Jeremy

Woodrow C. Florida

This is what every Government all over the world needs to hear and do, but they won’t, this is why everything in this world is so __ck up.

WTM Admin

Yes Woodrow, this desperately needed biological explanation and universal solution to the human condition needs to be introduced everywhere — and as with any new scientific breakthrough in history it will take time to reach the bastions of power in the world but once this information gets a foothold through enough people developing a deep appreciation and desire to support it, the selfless love and energy that will generate will get their attention! And the good news is interest and support is rapidly growing each day, just see the ecstatic responses at the top of our homepage!

Brian Fernandez

Mind blowing revelation, so religion is just a past time to the people! How to grow deeper to deliver us from our bondage! Is there a follow up?

WTM Admin

We can now understand that religion has acted as the custodian of the ideal state and as a means of solace for those exhausted by the corrupting journey; our FAQs about the demystification of religion may be of interest. So religion has had a very important role to play during humanity’s journey to find the understanding of why, when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we humans so angry, competitive and selfish. But it is this core question that Jeremy Griffith has answered with his explanation of how the ‘instinct vs intellect’ conflict caused us to become psychologically upset sufferers of the human condition, and it is this explanation that ‘delivers us from our bondage’.

Hannah Kariuki

Hello, I wish I can get a Kiswahili translation of this transformation. In East Africa, particularly Kenya, the majority of people understand swahili language better.

WTM Admin

Hi Hannah, Jeremy Griffith’s work is being translated into many languages around the world, thanks to the wonderful efforts of the WTM’s ever-expanding global network of support. Unfortunately we don’t yet have any Swahili translations, but we hope to in the near future! In the meantime, you can watch THE Interview (and all the videos on our website) in Swahili using the closed captions or subtitles function (just click on the ‘cc’ icon at the bottom of the video player/window).

Francis Isangedighi

A jaw dropping experience, I have some new senses opening, clear understanding of my existence.

Prosper

Humanity must place much premium on this insight...so much helpful

A Kay

This a a wonderful message to help one and all for the betterment of mankind

Daniel Hansen

How can I help

WTM Admin

Hi Daniel, thank you for your question; FAQ 3.4 ‘How can I help the WTM?’ lists the many ways people can help become involved, which includes setting up a WTM Centre, and helping to disseminate this world-saving information.

Francis Semei

Very insightful finding. Really appreciate the video interview, also helps me understand more clearly how we humans can think positively, really make sense too.

Alfred Khaziwa

Very very interesting interview, still trying to process what I just heard. Is the interview also in writing, that will be helpful.

WTM Admin

Yes, Alfred, there is a lot to digest so we recommend re-watching THE Interview, and then watching the video series that follows it. THE Interview’s transcript is also freely available on our homepage HumanCondition.com, where you will also see the perfect guide to pursue your interest.

Monieb Samuels

So glad I took the time to listen to this interview...makes much more sense to me than the usual stuff we were taught whilst growing up!

Salami

Amazing and revealing facts about human nature

Fabiel Gapchojiga

Great broadcast, thanks for making me find what I am as a human. How can I get this great book?

Anwar-Nur

Where can I get hold of these books...

WTM Admin

Hi Anwar-Nur, and thank you Fabiel. Jeremy Griffith’s key books, including his definitive book FREEDOM, are freely available on our homepage here to read online, print and download. You can also purchase hardcopies and download free Kindle versions from Amazon.

Mara

Excellent!

Rhonda Womack

A very eye-opening interview. It gives me a great deal think about and how to live in this crazy and confusing world. I will continue to follow up by reading his books or watching other interviews. This man is very insightful

Olajide Ogundele.

Fantastic reality.

Danad

Amazing interview.

Olga Paniara

I am very excited to learn more of this excellent work and I would appreciate to tell us more.

Modi Samson

So interesting

Dave Williams

Surely this conclusion is very similar to Zen Buddhist philosophy?

WTM Admin

Hi Dave, as explained in our response to Samuel Akoto below, Buddhism certainly provided guidance on dealing with the symptoms of the human condition, but ultimately we needed to find the scientific explanation for why we deviated; for why, when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless, we are so angry, competitive and selfish? There have been thousands of years of different techniques to try and achieve enlightenment by calming, repressing and even transcending our psychologically upset human condition and deferring to the soundness of our soul in one form or another, but none of them have brought an end to the upset state of the human condition — it’s still rampant everywhere. The reason is because they don’t solve the human condition. They don’t deal with the source of our species’ corrupted condition and bring relieving understanding to it. This is what Jeremy Griffith’s treatise does and why it is heralded as the biological breakthrough that can save the world. Our FAQs about religion may be of interest.

Kristijan

What does human condition means? What is it definition?

WTM Admin

Hi Kristijan, as is explained in our FAQ 1.1, ‘What is the human condition?’, “while it’s undeniable that humans are capable of great love, we also have an unspeakable history of brutality, rape, torture, murder and war. Despite all our marvellous accomplishments, we humans have been the most ferocious and destructive force that has ever lived on Earth—and the eternal question has been ‘why?’ Even in our everyday behaviour, why have we humans been so competitive, selfish and aggressive when clearly the ideals of life are to be the complete opposite, namely cooperative, selfless and loving? In fact, why are we so ruthlessly competitive, selfish and brutal that human life has become all but unbearable and we have nearly destroyed our own planet?! The agony of being unable to truthfully answer this fundamental question of why we are the way we are—divisively instead of cooperatively behaved—has been the particular burden of human life. It has been our species’ particular affliction or condition—our ‘human condition’.” We also recommend reading and/or watching Jeremy Griffith’s presentation, The Great Guilt, which outlines more comprehensively the definition of our human condition, and why engagement with the subject can be initially hard to grasp.

Tamsin Irving

Finally an understanding that makes sense.

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