Comments on THE Interview

It sounds almost like God’s words of life increation by science they are finding now that science and the word of God are not in disagreement there is correlation between both

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Yes THE Interview is available in French (here) and it is also available in Afrikaans, Dutch, German and Spanish! These and other translated WTM publications are available on our homepage (below ‘Main Videos’ there is a ‘Translations’ button). We also have many WTM Centres all around the world, including WTM Nice in France!

Next to Occam’s Razor, science requires an unambiguous and literal use of language, the amount of metaphorical speech indicates we are not dealing with science here already. Science also requires falsifyable hypotheses. If it can’t be falsified it isn’t even a workable hypothesis. From a scientific point of view, these are merely speculations/interpretations that may have the potential to become falsifyable hypotheses. Only once that potential has been fullfilled can we talk about science, but even then we are merely in the stage of putting the hypothesis to the test, and then we should speak of it as something being scientifically reasearched, which still is way too early for a scientific conclusion. The man doesn’t strike me as an idiot, but rather seems so enthiousiastic about his idea that he overstates his claim and/or forgets to inform us about his scientific research (as it’s still possible that he actually has scientific work to back up his claims, he just didn’t present any)

Thanks for your wonderful comment David. The WTM is a not-for-profit organisation and all our publications, subscription and membership are freely available on this website—there is no money involved! People’s initial scepticism is warranted as FAQ 1.9 explains. The great significance of this scientific breakthrough is we can understand our selfishness is not instinctive but rather a result of a psychosis which is healed with understanding. We legitimately return to our natural selfless instincts and that is what drives this profound transformation of ourselves and the world, summarised in FAQ 1.4.

Hello Louis, thank you for your interest in Jeremy Griffith’s work. With regard to the questions that you raise we recommend reading WTM FAQ 6.3 which explains that the great founding prophets of religion actually looked forward to the arrival of the reconciling understanding of the human condition — which means supporters of religion shouldn’t see Jeremy’s scientific demystification of religious teachings as blasphemy, but as religious fulfillment! The full title of FAQ 6.3 summarises the various questions that are addressed in this FAQ: Aren’t all Griffith’s demystifications of religious teachings going to be seen by supporters of religion as blasphemy? / Does understanding of the human condition undermine a faith in religion or God? / How can you reconcile the explanation of the human condition that defends the upset state with religious teachings that condemn upset?

Absolutely Dinah! Jeremy’s ability to explain our deeply upset state brings such calm and compassionate energy to our beings. With our fundamental goodness biologically established and the awesome meaning and power of finally being aligned with the truth of integrative meaning (what we can now understand we have personified as ‘God’—see FAQ 6.2) we can truly begin to heal and come together as one. As Jeremy writes so beautifully in FREEDOM par 1259: “We can all break out of our chrysalis, our human-condition-afflicted straitjacket, where we have been constrained, letting the wings of our great potential unfold in the sunshine of relieving understanding to reveal the fabulously beautiful creatures we really are.”

Thank you for your comment and appreciation Lynda. This pandemic is a devastating and anxiety-filled time and the situation is extremely triggering of our underlying universal psychosis so clear thinking is what is needed. This is what is critically important about Jeremy Griffith’s work, it explains that our psychosis or lack of clear thinking is caused by the clash between our instinct and intellect and can be healed through understanding. As Professor Prosen says it brings about “the psychological rehabilitation of the human race”! Thankfully we now have a vaccine for this terrible virus but what is infinitely more precious and needed is a vaccine for the human condition, a cure for it, the answer or deeper meaning of our very existence as you say, and that’s what THE Interview presents.

Thank you for your considered comment Margriet. There is a ‘Download—books/video/audio’ button at the top of this page and all Jeremy Griffith’s books are freely available to download or read online on our homepage. We already have Dutch translations!! Our WTM Amsterdam Centre present HET Interview along with Dutch translations of Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM (VRIJHEID: Het Einde Van De Menselijke Conditie), its summary booklet Transform Your Life (Transformeer Jouw Leven En Red De Wereld) and our key Introductory Videos/Freedom Essays 1 – 4 and 14. As well as these Dutch translations THE Interview and other WTM publications are also available in Afrikaans, French, German and Spanish on our homepage (see below the ‘Main Videos’ the ‘Translations’ button). Given your interest in the bonobos I’m sure you will find Freedom Essay 21 absolutely fascinating!

In Part 3 of this introductory presentation, THE Interview, Jeremy Griffith gives the biological reason for, and some evidence of, our altruistic moral instincts, ‘the voice’ of which within us we recognise when we refer to our conscience. This evidence is presented in greater detail in Freedom Essay 22 (titled ‘Fossil discoveries evidence our nurtured origins’) and in chapter 5 of FREEDOM. Further, as described in par 488 of FREEDOM, the philosopher John Fiske recognised the nurturing origins of our moral nature, which at the time was even ‘considered far more important’ a biological principle than Darwin’s ‘principle of natural selection’. These biological arguments put forward in FREEDOM have received support from some of the most eminent biologists, philosophers and thinkers in the world which you can see in the Commendation section of our homepage.

    Thank you for your thoughtful feedback Mick. The biology of the human condition is absolutely fascinating and the question you are asking ‘How did we genetically acquire altruistic instincts?’ is one of the great outstanding scientific questions that Jeremy Griffith has solved and what is so brilliant about his ability as a biologist. What you are seeing as a flaw is actually explained in THE Interview it just takes time to think it through.     As Jeremy says in THE Interview (Part 3) “how we acquired our moral instincts has been one of the greatest mysteries in biology. The primatologist Richard Wrangham described it as ‘A question that has lain unsolved at the core of biology ever since Darwin’. And Darwin himself described it as the ‘one special difficulty’ with his concept of natural selection”. This is because in order to have an instinctive altruistic moral nature, it follows that our distant ape ancestors must have been cooperative and loving, not competitive and aggressive like other animals. But, since altruistic, unconditionally selfless genetic traits are self-eliminating, and therefore seemingly cannot develop in animals, that leaves the question of how could we humans have developed them? As you say ‘How is that explained by gene theory?’ Jeremy explains in THE Interview, and in much greater detail in FREEDOM, the answer was through nurturing or what he terms ‘love-indoctrination’. This is how we acquired our all-loving, moral instincts and why, as you say, the love you have for your children (who aren’t biologically yours) is genuinely altruistic. As Jeremy says at the start of chapter 5 “Our moral instinctive self or soul, the ‘voice’ or expression of which is our conscience, is a truly amazing phenomenon, for it provided the cooperative, unconditionally selfless love that created humanity”!     You have some fascinating reading before you as understanding love-indoctrination is astonishingly interesting and central to the unique significance of Jeremy’s work. We suggest you watch THE Interview again, then read Freedom Essay 21 and FREEDOM chapter 5 titled ‘The Origin of Humans’ Unconditionally Selfless, Altruistic, Moral Instinctive Self or Soul’, in particular ch 5:4 titled ‘Love-Indoctrination’. You might also like to subscribe to our free mailing list.

Etienne we are a not-for-profit organisation and make all our publications (including books and videos), subscription to our mailing list and membership freely available on this website—there is no money involved! The outcome of finally being able to understand the human condition is FREEDOM from it! It unravels the core mystery behind human behaviour, thus ending suffering and conflict at its source—and provides the now urgently needed road map for the complete transformation of our lives and world. We suggest you watch Video/Freedom Essay 5 about how this world-saving outcome is possible!

I so relate to how you’re feeling Travis. When I first came across this 1 I couldn’t believe it was boldly tackling what it was & 2 I was on overload for sure. Yeah keep tuning in as once your brain gets a hold of this it can understand things you’d never think you could. It was a bit of journey for me but its turned my life around and I know it will do the same for others and the world

As you say Hola, Jeremy Griffith’s explanation of the human condition is an awesome narrative and certainly is very different to the work of Prof. Harari who, among other huge dissimilarities, doesn’t recognise our instinctive heritage as being cooperative but rather promotes the savage instincts excuse for our psychological upset that Jeremy discusses in THE Interview. So please continue to explore our work as the more you do the more you will realise just how perceptive Jeremy’s holistic perception is! In fact it introduces an entirely new way of viewing humans so we recommend people take time to re-watch THE Interview a few times, or read its transcript, as it does take some time to absorb. And of course Jeremy’s definitive book FREEDOM is the book to review and is freely available on our homepage.

Jeremy Griffith’s work explains that humans’ selfishness and greed isn’t the result of conditioning from our environment. Rather it is the result of a psychosis, caused by the clash between our instinct and intellect (which Video/Freedom Essay 3 further explains). Significantly a psychosis is changeable as it can be healed through understanding—a revelation that can transform the human race!

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    Hi Derrick, great to have your interest! The human condition is the study of humans’ capacity for acts of both so-called ‘good and evil’. It is the realm of inquiry where science and religion overlap, so in explaining the human condition religion is also explained.     Religion and God are briefly discussed in this overview presentation of FREEDOM but, in FREEDOM par 327 Jeremy writes: “Ideality (which religions and the truthful, denial-free-thinking, God-confronting-not-avoiding prophets they were founded around represented) and our search for understanding of our non-ideal reality (which science represented—the word ‘science’ literally means ‘knowledge’) have finally been ‘reconciled’”. So with this reconciling understanding of the human condition it at last makes possible to explain and demystify all mythology, including all the parables and stories in the Bible. Jeremy Griffith’s work doesn’t contradict the Bible it simply brings biological understanding to all those pre-scientific concepts. In fact Jeremy considers the Bible to be a repository of extremely rare denial-free truth, containing all the truth about human life albeit from a pre-science view. He has also written about Christ’s life and its phenomenal importance in humanity’s journey in Freedom Essay 39. Also FAQ 6.2 ‘What is God’ and FAQ 6.3 ‘Does this undermine religion/God’ are most helpful.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts Karen. Jeremy Griffith’s new science of the human condition certainly explains the importance of nurturing or love which those pioneers, and many others such as Jean Leidloff, D.W. Winnicott, Bruno Bettelheim, Roger Fouts, Olive Schreiner and Ashley Montagu which Jeremy recognises and describes at length in ch 8:16C of FREEDOM. As Jeremy explains in THE Interview (Part 3) nurturing or love is what made us human and he mentions the great work of American philosopher John Fiske (who also recognised the significance of nurturing in our development). Jeremy explains that our species once lived cooperatively and lovingly and that we acquired our moral instincts through nurturing—a process he terms ‘love-indoctrination’. He also explains this has been an unbearable truth while we couldn’t explain why we humans became angry, egocentric and alienated and as a result lost the ability to adequately nurture our offspring with unconditional selflessness or love. The great significance of Jeremy’s work is that we can at last explain why we became upset and understand that our selfish and destructive behaviour is the result of a psychosis caused by the clash between our instinct and intellect. With this knowledge we no longer have to deny such confronting truths as the immense importance of nurturing in our lives and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living. Yes with this marvellous work of being about to understand the importance of love in our lives we no longer have to live in denial and estrangement of our all loving soul and we can return to psychological and physical health.     Jeremy is in the process of writing two new Freedom Essays about the genuinely effective therapy and healing that understanding of the human condition now makes possible. These are Essays 63: ‘Pseudo Therapy/Healing’ and 64: ‘Real Therapy/Healing’. Essay 63 will explain there are many approaches that seek to heal and therapise human psychoses but they are all coming from an extremely dishonest and superficial, human-condition-avoiding, pseudo therapising angle, and this does include the work of Eckhart Tolle and many others. (See Freedom Essay 33 for a discussion of Eckhart Tolle’s work and FAQ 6.5 which explains the difference between the WTM and pseudo-idealistic movements). In Essay 64 Jeremy will present the human-condition-confronting, honest, true, genuinely effective therapy/healing that understanding of the human condition now makes possible. As distinguished psychiatrist Professor Harry Prosen describes THE Interview as being “the most important interview of all time” because it “is the holy grail of insight we have sought for the psychological rehabilitation of the human race…that saves the world”.

    In THE Interview Jeremy Griffith points out that the elementary situation of our conscious mind defying our cooperative instincts was recognised by Richard Heinberg when he summarised that “everywhere in religion and myth there is an acknowledgment that we departed from an original innocence”, “there is the recognition that human consciousness has been separated from the divine source”. The problem has been that in those pre-scientific times there was no ability to explain what caused our divisive condition because we didn’t know about the difference in the gene-based and nerve-based learning systems.     Some 3,500 years ago, the exceptionally honest, denial-free thinking prophet Moses went as close as you could possibly go without science to actually explain the human condition when he said “we took the fruit from the tree of knowledge [became conscious] and were disobedient [obviously meaning we developed a conscious free will that defied our already established instincts that had been controlling our lives] and became perpetrators of sin [sufferers of psychologically upset, divisive behaviour]”.     And with regard to what’s happened in the last century or so, Jeremy explains that “while all contemporary thinkers have had the benefit of science having revealed the difference between the gene-based and nerve-based learning systems, and have therefore had the means to truthfully explain the human condition, those who did recognise the basic instinct vs intellect elements didn’t take their thinking far enough to actually explain the human condition. And those who have been attached to the false savage instincts excuse—which is the great majority of scientists—obviously haven’t been thinking truthfully, so they couldn’t hope to explain the human condition.”

Thank you for your wonderful comment Beat Z’rotz and yes having our fundamental goodness biologically established and the awesome meaning and power of finally being aligned with the truth of integrative meaning (what we can now understand we have personified as ‘God’—see FAQ 6.2) truly does unite us all. As Jeremy describes in FREEDOM par 1166, “the wonderful empathy and equality of goodness and fellowship that understanding of the human condition now allows us to feel for our fellow humans; the freedom now to effectively focus on repairing the world; and, above all, the radiant aliveness from the optimism that comes with knowing our species’ march through hell has finally ended and that a human-condition-free new world is coming—CAN NOW TRANSFORM EVERY HUMAN AND THUS THE WORLD.” We’d love a chance to meet you too Beat! On our homepage you can learn all about our fabulous WTM community, our global WTM centres and our Global Transformation Meetings. We also have a World Transformation Movement Facebook Community so please feel free to share in the discussion, excitement and fellowship there and on our website!

Thank you for your thoughtful comment Jo and Jeremy Griffith’s breakthrough ‘instinct v intellect’ explanation of the human condition certainly is the education we so desperately need to end such atrocities. For example in Video/Freedom Essay 8 Franklin Mukakanga, founder of the Zambian WTM Centre, describes how it brings reconciling understanding to the relationship between races. Jeremy’s definitive book FREEDOM: The End Of The Human Condition, its summary Transform Your Life And Save The World and THE Interview, are made freely available on our homepage. You can read them online or download them (no email required) and Transform Your Life is also available as an audio book! If you prefer you can download the free Kindle versions or purchase hard copies from Amazon and hard copies are also available at other good bookstores.

Explanation of the human condition is certainly fascinating Eabha, but it presents a massive paradigm shift in the way we view humans which takes some time to absorb. Also the human condition has historically been a very fearful subject which can make it initially hard to access or ‘hear’, see FAQ 1.16. So we suggest you re-visit THE Interview because at first it may appear too dense and therefore confusing, but the more you do absorb it, the more you realise just how all-clarifying, all-redeeming, all-reconciling, all-healing, all-liberating it is!

We so agree Robert! This astonishing framework of denial-free knowledge actually does present the theory of everything and is an amazing revelation! Others have also struggled to accept the selfish gene theory as this comment by Alex Owens in our Online Endorsements shows: ‘I’ve had many a restless night wondering whether we are just lumbering shells to protect and reproduce genes, that there is no purpose to our existence and that anything is “allowed.” But there was a part of me that knew I wouldn’t feel guilty or that humanity wouldn’t have so many psychological problems if survival of the individual’s genes were all that mattered. Then I found Jeremy Griffith.’ It is wonderful to have your good wishes from Canada. We have WTM Centres all over the world including three in Canada which you can explore here. Yes this does explain the ever-increasing levels of upset, alienation and polarisation happening around the world but especially in America at the moment. This is further dealt with in Freedom Essays 34 – 36. This end-play stage of humanity’s journey is certainly a shocking and turbulent time and our thoughts are with all Americans and the world.

I’m with you javon—listening to this information is the best! There is a ‘Download—books/video/audio’ button at the top of this page so download the audio file and off you go! Also our amazing Freedom Essays are available as podcasts. All easy to access from our WTM App — just search ‘World Transformation Movement’ in the App Store on your device. You can also subscribe here and be sent two essays each week.

It’s wonderful you want to pursue your interest in our work Jaime. Our helpful Introductory Guide shows the steps to further introduce yourself to this understanding of the human condition, including after THE Interview looking at our key Introductory Videos/Freedom Essays 1-4 and 14 on our homepage. Happy exploring!

    Yes Arjen you can freely download THE Interview in various formats. There is a ‘Download—books/video/audio’ button at the top of this page and all Jeremy Griffith’s books are freely available on our homepage (please see our reply to Tony below for more details).     THE Interview is also available in Dutch!! Our WTM Amsterdam Centre present HET Interview along with Dutch translations of Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM (VRIJHEID: Het Einde Van De Menselijke Conditie), its summary booklet Transform Your Life (Transformeer Jouw Leven En Red De Wereld) and our key Introductory Videos/Freedom Essays 1 – 4 and 14. As well as these Dutch translations THE Interview and other WTM publications are available in Afrikaans, French, German and Spanish on our homepage (see below the ‘Main Videos’ the ‘Translations’ button).

Great to have your interest Tony. Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM: The End Of The Human Condition, its summary Transform Your Life And Save The World and THE Interview, are made freely available on our homepage. You can read them online or download them (no email required) and Transform Your Life is also available as an audio book! If you prefer you can download the free Kindle versions or purchase hard copies from Amazon and hard copies are also available at other good bookstores.

    Thank you for your thoughts Chris. We appreciate your interest. In THE Interview Jeremy mentions, along with the early philosophers, some contemporary thinkers who have truthfully recognised the basic instinct vs intellect elements involved in producing the human condition. He mentions Eugène Marais, Paul MacLean and Arthur Koestler. Their work, along with other contemporary thinkers that have recognised, not only the instinct vs intellect elements involved, but also that we have cooperative and loving moral instincts, is described in detail in Freedom Essay 53. This evidence of previous thinkers that have identified the instinct vs intellect elements also helps context the significance of finally being able to explain exactly how this clash occurred which Jeremy does by clarifying the difference between the way the instincts and intellect work. Also eminent psychiatrist Prosen Harry Prosen endorses THE Interview as “the most important interview of all time”. You might like to visit our commendations from thought leaders including psychologists on our homepage, for instance professor of psychology Scott Churchill states “Nothing Dr. Prosen has said about the immense importance of this book is an exaggeration. This is the book all humans need to read for our collective wellbeing.”     Yes the biology of the human condition is absolutely fascinating! As Jeremy says in THE Interview “how we acquired our moral instincts has been one of the greatest mysteries in biology. The primatologist Richard Wrangham described it as ‘A question that has lain unsolved at the core of biology ever since Darwin’. And Darwin himself described it as the ‘one special difficulty’ with his concept of natural selection”. This is because in order to have an instinctive altruistic moral nature, it follows that our distant ape ancestors must have been cooperative and loving, not competitive and aggressive like other animals. But, since altruistic, unconditionally selfless genetic traits are self-eliminating, and therefore seemingly cannot develop in animals, that leaves the question of how could we humans have developed them? As Jeremy explains the answer was through nurturing (which you can read further about in chapter 5:4 of FREEDOM).     While we cannot directly examine our distant ancestors, the fossil record is very helpful in confirming that this nurturing process occurred, and that their behaviour, and therefore psychology, was cooperative (see chapter 5:5 of FREEDOM). And beyond the fossil record, our closest living relative, the bonobos, gives us an amazing insight into this nurturing process, and the loving moral lives of our ancestors. Jeremy actually describes in FREEDOM the “astonishing and irreplaceable evidence they provide of our origins”. So I also very much recommend chapter 5.6 of FREEDOM which describes in great detail the bonobos and how they evidence our own moral instincts.

    It’s wonderful you want to look even deeper into this new science that explains our human condition Leong! We have a helpful guide on our Transformation page here which suggests the publications to further introduce yourself to Jeremy Griffith’s work. It also shows how you can become involved in this immensely exciting and important project!     Also, on our homepage you can learn all about our fabulous WTM community with over 40 WTM Centres around the world. And we now have a World Transformation Movement Facebook Community so feel free to join and share in the discussion, excitement and fellowship there and on our website!

    Great to have your interest Patrick. This information is endlessly fascinating with much to consider which takes a little time. The fundamental problem the human race has always had is to explain or justify competitive, selfish and aggressive behaviour. That is the issue of the human condition that Jeremy Griffith finally explains and why his work is of unique importance to the survival of the world. After THE Interview we encourage people to watch/read our Introductory Videos/Freedom Essays 1-4 and 14 on our homepage. You will see in Video/Freedom Essay 14 Jeremy discusses Jordan Peterson’s work, which he describes as immensely heroic yet doomed, because only the psychosis-addressing-and-solving, real explanation of the human condition can stop the destruction of our world and the disintegration of society that is happening everywhere we look. It is precisely this real psychologically redeeming and transforming explanation that Jeremy has delivered in his first principle-based biological understanding of the human condition.     I might say despite Peterson not explaining the biology of the human condition correctly Jeremy is very appreciative of his work. You will see that Jeremy refers to a quote of Peterson’s in this essay that was published by Spectator Magazine recently which you can read at this link.

It’s wonderful to have your feedback Marie. As the eminent psychiatrist Professor Harry Prosen says this is “the most important interview of all time” because it “is the holy grail of insight we have sought for the psychological rehabilitation of the human race...that saves the world”. So Jeremy Griffith’s work couldn’t represent a more significant breakthrough in psychotherapy as it presents the psychosis-addressing-and-solving real explanation of the human condition that can finally relieve and heal our deeply conflicted and troubled upset state. Jeremy is in the process of writing the upcoming new Freedom Essays 63: ‘Pseudo Therapy/Healing’ and 64: ‘Real Therapy/Healing’ which will explain the huge difference between current therapies and the effective psychological therapy that understanding of the human condition now at last makes possible. You might like to subscribe to our free mailing list here to receive this Essay Series and be notified of when these new essays are available.

Thank you. Alfred.