Comments on THE Interview

Jeremy Griffith’s work doesn’t ignore, exclude or contradict a belief in God, or Christianity. It simply brings biological understanding to all those pre-scientific concepts. In fact, Jeremy considers the Bible to be a repository of extremely rare denial-free truth, containing all the truth about human life albeit from a pre-science view. Although this is science, it is based on a ‘Godly’ nature in the sense of recognising, like all the great religions do, that we humans once lived in a pre-human-condition-afflicted state of original innocence where we were perfectly instinctively orientated to the cooperative, selfless, loving, ‘Godly’ ideals of life; ‘God’ being explained as being the personification of integrative meaning of life; see Freedom Essay 23. We also think you might find our FAQs about religion of interest, especially FAQs ‘What is God’ and ‘Does this understanding undermine religion’.

Hi Freek, to learn more please visit the top of our homepage — HumanCondition.com — where it states ‘WHAT NEXT after watching THE Interview?’ and guides you through the steps to pursue your interest, including joining our ever-growing Facebook Group and registering for free, live, interactive events with Jeremy and others.

Hi Fred, Jeremy Griffith’s work opens up a new way of thinking so it takes a little time to fully absorb this new paradigm – and the human condition does present the ultimate paradox! The biological ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation of the human condition allows us to understand the real merits and liabilities of both the left and right wing. His work identifies that the problem of the right-wing is its destructiveness, however, through its support of egocentricity and selfishness, it does encourage the search for knowledge to continue. However the left wing’s insistence on ideal behaviour had the effect of oppressing and thus regressing, not ‘progressing’, the all-important search for knowledge. Most importantly, this understanding brings a profound understanding to both sides which ultimately will bring an end to the whole ugly business of politics. This is fully explained in our FAQs about politics.

It’s wonderful that you’re reading FREEDOM, Kari, and that this understanding is resonating with you so strongly. The Introductory Video Series appears on our homepage here, which we highly recommend, with (in addition to THE Interview) The Great Guilt and Videos 1 – 4 & 14 being key. Also, if you subscribe to our mailing list you will be sent our Freedom Essay Series which serves as a wonderfully comprehensive course as it accompanies you through much of the content of FREEDOM in beautifully illustrated bite-size pieces. And if you haven’t already, we strongly urge you to register for our free, live, interactive events with Jeremy Griffith and others and join our Facebook Group where many others like you are having their thirst for this knowledge quenched!

Although this is science, it is based on a Godly nature in the sense of recognising, like all the great religions do, that we humans once lived in a pre-human-condition-afflicted state of original innocence where we were perfectly instinctively orientated to the cooperative, selfless, loving, ‘Godly’ ideals of life; ‘God’ being explained in as being the integrative meaning of life. We suggest that the more you digest this explanation, the more you will see that it does not rob life or explanations of life of its ‘spiritual’ dimension. We thought you might find our FAQs about religion of interest, in particular FAQ 6.7 ‘How can a scientific explanation ever hope to account for and encompass the great ‘spiritual’ dimension we know exists in life? / Isn’t ‘spirituality’ beyond a purely rational explanation?’

     The human condition, which is the astronomical guilt we all carry for having destroyed our original all-loving, innocent state, has historically been a terrifying subject, so discussion of it can be difficult to ‘hear’. We recommend reading and/or watching Jeremy Griffith’s presentation, The Great Guilt, which outlines more comprehensively the definition of our human condition, and why engagement with the subject can be initially hard to grasp.     Part4 of THE Interview, which is titld ‘How does the psychological rehabilitation of the human race that the arrival of understanding of the human condition finally makes possible actually occur?’ is devoted to explaining how this understanding heals and transforms our lives.

Thanks for your comment John. ‘The Golden Rule’, as with all religious teachings, has played a very important role in reminding us of the ideals and ensuring that human behaviour did not become overly angry, egocentric and alienated. However in order to fundamentally bring peace to the human condition we needed to find the scientific explanation for why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy Griffith presents in THE Interview and his book FREEDOM. This is what allows genuine reconciliation between the our moral, altruistic instincts, and our psychologically upset intellect. Through explaining the very good reason why our intellect had to defy our instincts, it makes redundant our defensive behaviours of anger, egocentricity and alienation, bringing true peace to our condition. We thought you might find our FAQs about religion of interest.

Interesting

We suggest that the more you digest Jeremy Griffith’s ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation, the more you will realise how accountable it is in getting to the source of all humanity’s psychological upset, which in the extreme, produces people who are capable of what we have described as ‘evil’. Of course this breakthrough explanation doesn’t condone or sanction the horrendous atrocities humans can commit rather, through bringing compassionate understanding to the source of humans’ upset behaviour, it gives us the power to ameliorate and thus subside and ultimately eliminate it, see FAQ 1.38 ‘Aren’t some people just born psychopathic, or even ‘evil’? / How does this explanation rehabilitate people capable of ‘evil’ behaviour? / Does this condone ‘evil’ behaviour?’. As the late Professor Harry Prosen, psychiatrist and former president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, said: ‘I have no doubt Jeremy Griffith’s biological explanation of the human condition is the holy grail of insight we have sought for the psychological rehabilitation of the human race.’

Take your time Bube - there is a lot to digest! With regard to your son-in-law’s comment, there is no religious element to this understanding, it is rational, accountable science, however, because the human condition is humans’ capacity for so-called ‘good and evil’ it is therefore the realm of inquiry where science and religion overlap. And although this is science, it is based on a Godly nature in the sense of recognising, like all the great religions do, that we humans once lived in a pre-human-condition-afflicted state of original innocence where we were perfectly instinctively orientated to the cooperative, selfless, all-loving, ‘Godly’ ideals of life; ‘God’ being briefly explained in THE Interview as the personification of the integrative meaning of existence. We recommend our FAQs about religion especially FAQs ‘What is God’ and ‘Does this understanding undermine religion’.

The book version of THE Interview is free on our homepage here (along with Jeremy Griffith’s other key books including his definitive book FREEDOM: The End Of The Human Condition) to read online or download. You can also download the free Kindle version from Amazon. Otherwise you can purchase hard copies from Amazon or other good bookstores.

Yes, we can now appreciate just how sensitive and loving bonobos are. But just to be clear, having the human condition explained doesn’t cause a retreat to a bonobo like state, loving as that may be, but a progression of the human species into a conscious, fully reconciled, cooperative and loving state. As the poet TS Eliot wrote, “‘We shall not cease from exploration / And the end of all our exploring / Will be to arrive where we started / And know the place for the first time’”.

Thanks for your comment Graeme. There is no need to modify our genetics. The issue is with how the conscious mind interprets our instincts' attempts to influence our behaviour. As is explained in our FAQ 1.36, “Having the redeeming, reconciling explanation of why our conscious mind had to defy our original ideal-behaviour-insisting instinctive self or soul does not mean our instincts will stop continuing to seek to impose their selfless, loving and cooperative orientation. However, being able to now understand the very good reason why the conscious mind has to search for knowledge means that these instinctive directives will no longer be interpreted by the conscious mind as ‘criticism’, and so it will no longer be psychologically upsetting; indeed our instinct’s/​conscience’s feedback will forevermore be wonderful ‘guidance’.”

Humanity becomes FREE of the burden of the human condition as solving it solves all the confusion, frustration and suffering in human life at its source! We can now understand our behaviour has been driven by a deep insecurity about our fundamental goodness, so now that our goodness is biologically established we no longer have to behave insecurely and selfishly and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living. This is the rapidly transforming effect of being able to understand the human condition, however because it presents a huge paradigm shift in our thinking it does take a little time to fully grasp. FAQs 1.4 to 1.6 are helpful as they talk about the far-reaching practical applications of this understanding. Also, joining our WTM Community Facebook Group is also highly recommended because there is so much helpful, practical and inspired discussion taking place there about this immensely relieving knowledge!

Thank you for your thoughts Len. As THE Interview explains all humans are born with loving moral instincts but we now variously suffer from a psychosis due to the human condition and, in the extreme, that psychologically conflicted upset state produces extremely destructive behaviour, including extreme states of egocentricity and narcissism, known as psychopaths or power addicts. Of course this breakthrough explanation doesn’t condone or sanction the horrendous attrocities humans can commit rather, through bringing compassionate understanding to the source of humans’ upset behaviour, it gives us the power to ameliorate and thus subside and ultimately eliminate it, see FAQ 1.38 ‘Aren’t some people just born psychopathic, or even ‘evil’? / How does this explanation rehabilitate people capable of ‘evil’ behaviour? / Does this condone ‘evil’ behaviour?’

    Thank you for the thoughtful comment Elab. What is being presented is rational, accountable explanation of the human condition. It should be treated much as you would Darwin’s explanation of natural selection - it either makes sense or it doesn’t. So without insisting that this is it or not, we would suggest that ultimately there wont be ‘many ways up the mountain’, there will just be one scientific explanation of our condition, just as there is only one explanation of the variety of life on earth.     With regard to evidence of a cooperative past, the whole of FREEDOM evidences that we emerged from a loving, sensitive past, not a savage, ‘red in tooth and claw’ past as is commonly held. For example, see analysis of the fossil record in chapter 5:5; see evidence from primatology in chapter 5:6, including similarities between our ancestors Ardipithecus and bonobos; see analysis of the relatively innocence of so-called primitive peoples, such as the San Bushmen and the Australian Aborigines, as well as evidence from mythology of a ‘golden age’ of innocence (for example, in chapter 2:7); see also evidence provided by the astonishing sensitivity to paleolithic rock painting (see chapter 8:11C); indeed, all of chapter 8), is a revealing application of the ontogeny (of our individual original loving innocence) recapitulate phylogeny (of our species' original loving innocence) principle.

Certainly AA ‘12 Steps’ contains truth about our psychologically upset state, however it is not a scientific understanding. Ultimately we needed to find the scientific explanation for why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy Griffith presents in THE Interview and his book FREEDOM. We suggest FAQ 1.13 ‘Is this idea original or new? which explains the unique significance of Jeremy’s work.

Hi Erkan, thank you for your interest. THE Interview is available to read as a transcript here or you can purchase copies from bookshops, including Amazon. There is much to consider and absorb so re-watching or reading THE Interview is exactly what we recommend people do in any case!

Religion has allowed us to be honest about our psychologically upset ‘sinful’ state, but we now have the rational, accountable scientific defence of our ‘fallen’ state, the truth of which does set us free. Please see our FAQs that clarify the difference between the work of Jeremy Griffith and the WTM, and religions.

    Thank you for your thoughts Fri. As WTM FAQ 1.9 ‘Should people be sceptical’ explains, Professor Harry Prosen, a former president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, has endorsed the significance of Jeremy Griffith’s treatise, saying “I have no doubt Jeremy Griffith’s biological explanation of the human condition is the holy grail of insight we have sought for the psychological rehabilitation of the human race.” So while initial scepticism is warranted about the astonishing claims being made about this work the amazing fact is that they all withstand scrutiny. A person can begin reading the book and the more they read into it the more they will realise the claims being made are actually true as is evidenced by the ecstatic responses at the top of our homepage and the outstanding commendations this work has received from eminent scientists and thought leaders, here on our homepage. Also see FAQ 1.7 ‘What scientific support does this work have?’     In terms of why this critical new science isn’t yet mainstream Jeremy Griffith answers this question in Part 2 of THE Interview when he points out that the issue of the human condition has been such a denied and off-limits subject that confronting it represents the “biggest of all blasphemies”, and how “science progresses funeral by funeral” when it comes to supporting big paradigm shifts like this, see FAQ 1.4.     We suggest that when people appreciate just how psychologically ‘upset’ humans now are after 2 million years of unjust condemnation from our instincts, how murderous-with-rage we actually are, they begin to appreciate the depth of guilt and shame we carry and therefore the scale of the relief at long last being able to understand WHY we have been capacity for shocking acts of cruelty, sadism, hate, murder and warfare. What is so extraordinary about Jeremy Griffith’s treatise is that it logically and accountably defends human selfishness and egocentricity. And on reflection, it does become apparent that all the dysfunction and destruction in the world are manifestations of the psychologically upset state of the human condition. And so what is so powerful about the explanation of the human condition is that by solving our insecure state at its source, it brings an end to all the terrible, and seemingly overwhelmingly “complex” problems that beset the problem – indeed it is the only way to bring an end to all those symptoms of our psychologically upset condition. So in a world fast going crazy from the effects of the human condition, this is the now desperately needed reconciling understanding that brings about a new world for humans FREE of the agony of the human condition. This is the understanding that ends human suffering at its source, and unites the human race. see FAQ 1.5 and FAQ 1.6.     As Part 4 of THE Interview, titled ‘How does the psychological rehabilitation of the human race that the arrival of understanding of the human condition finally makes possible actually occur?’ explains it will take a number of generations for the upset within us to be completely healed but it also stresses importantly we can be immediately free of its effects. Certainly there is habituation to overcome and humans do find change difficult but now that our goodness is biologically established we no longer have to behave insecurely and selfishly and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living. ‘Legitimately’ because we have the first principle science which liberates us to be honest about our conflicted upset state instead of denying or transcending it. So instead of being focused on power, fame, fortune and glory, all our energies will be freed to truly work together on doing whatever it takes to end the suffering and save our world. See FAQ 1.40 which addresses the questions of ‘How can you hope to transform the world? — In particular, how are you going to change the behaviour of the rich and powerful? / How are you going to reach the bastions of power? / Won’t the greedy and power-hungry simply ignore this?’ and FAQ 1.38 ‘How does this explanation rehabilitate people capable of ‘evil’ behaviour?’.

Very interested

I have listened to your interview sometime ago. You popped up as I was looking up Credo Mutwa. This needs to be taken seriously by the human race

Hi Yordanos, the best way to stay updated is to join the WTM mailing list to receive one free essay each week, and rare news flashes, to learn about the fabulous new transformed world that opens up for all humans now that understanding of the human condition has been found! At the same time you can also register for our for free, live, interactive events with Jeremy Griffith and others. Also our Facebook Group provides a wonderful platform for participating in, or just observing, interesting and exciting discussion with others about how we can live with this critical new science.

Hi Naomi, you can immediately access free electronic copies of Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM (along with his other key books, including THE Interview) to read, listen to or download HERE on our homepage. You can also download free Kindle versions from Amazon. (Otherwise you can purchase hard copies from Amazon or other good bookstores.) To pursue your interest you may also like to join our ever-growing Facebook Group and registering for free, live, interactive events with Jeremy and others.

Thank you for your comment Jose. There is no suggestion that the intellect did not exist in our ‘hunter-gatherer’ stage. In fact, in Part 3 of THE Interview Jeremy Griffith explains how we became fully conscious some 2 million years ago, which is at the very dawn of the hunter-gatherer stage. He refers the viewer to chapter 7 of his definitive book FREEDOM which further explains how and when consciousness emerged in humans. In ch 7:3 for example, the fossil record is examined, and shows the sudden increase in the size of the brain case, and by inference the brain’s volume—itself an indicator of consciousness—occurred around 2 million years ago. (A quick snapshot of this emergence of consciousness is given in the Development of Mental Cleverness graph that appears in ch 8.11C of FREEDOM.) So around 2 million years ago is when we began attempting to manage our lives from a conscious basis, a development our all-loving but dictatorial instincts tragically resisted, which led to us becoming psychologically upset (see Part 1 of THE Interview using the Adam Stork story). This clash between instinct and intellect is the source reason our intellect became dominant and repressed our instincts. Over time this conflict intensified, particularly with the advent of agriculture and domestication of animals, which brought humans into close conflict and accelerated the increase in psychological upset (anger, alienation and egocentricity), causing our intellect to repress our loving moral instinctive self or soul even more. You might be interested in reading ch 8:7 of FREEDOM, in which Jeremy explains hunting and killing of animals wasn’t driven by the need for protein-rich food, rather it was the first great expression of men’s upset, anger and egocentricity or our human condition upset state.

Hi Jesy, THE Interview booklet is immediately free to watch, listen to, read or download, no email registration required, on our homepage here (along with Jeremy Griffith’s other key books). It is also available to purchase as a beautifully bound colour booklet, the details of which are given here on our website.

Thank you for your comment Steve and we certainly respect people’s religious views. It is important to mention for readers of these comments that Jeremy Griffith’s work doesn’t contradict a belief in God or Christianity, or the Bible’s content. It simply brings biological understanding to all those pre-scientific concepts, see FAQ 6.3 ‘Does understanding of the human condition undermine a faith in religion or God?’

Hi Freida, what is so extraordinary about Jeremy Griffith’s instinct vs intellect explanation of the human condition is that it defends our so-called ‘dark side’. We can understand the battle between our intellect and our cooperative instincts caused us to become psychologically angry, alienated and egocentric, the upset state we refer to as the human condition. Now that we can understand this conflict all those insecure behaviours, such as greed, are obsoleted, brought to an end, and we free ourselves from that state and can legitimately return to a cooperative way of living. We suggest FAQ 1.40 which addresses the questions of ‘How can you hope to transform the world? — In particular, how are you going to change the behaviour of the rich and powerful? / How are you going to reach the bastions of power? / Won’t the greedy and power-hungry simply ignore this?’ It explains that “Even those who were most committed to defensively seeking validation through gaining power and material goods, including those entrenched in positions of power, will quickly realise how empty and obsolete that strategy is now that we have the fully accountable, psychosis-addressing-and-solving, real biological explanation of the human condition that proves our worth at the most fundamental level.”

Thank you for your heartfelt comment Doreen. As THE Interview explains the human condition has been the most terrifying of subjects because it is the issue of whether we are fundamentally good or bad as a species. So much so we have necessarily lived in almost total denial of it and got on with the noble but corrupting task of searching for knowledge. Now that knowledge is found, and our fundamental goodness is biologically established, we can finally start talking the truth about our upset condition and why adults had to deny what “seemed to children to be so wrong”, which will be so relieving to children who will no longer be bewildered by the silence of the adult world. What heals the world is the honesty that is now available. Now that we have redeeming understanding denial is no longer necessary and we can talk to children about the unavoidable journey of the human condition and how corrupted we’ve become, and that honesty is what will heal their troubled minds. We suggest you now watch or read The Great Guilt (which follows THE Interview) as it further explains the immense guilt and shame humans have been carrying for corrupting our original instinctive self or soul—our child within—and how we can now legitimately move on from the human condition and be free of that burden (click here to access it).

The book is FREE AND IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE to read online or download HERE on our homepage with no email registration required!! The work of the WTM is a scientific pursuit and was not created for profit, so all of our information and materials (including books, videos and podcasts) are provided absolutely free of charge. You can also download free Kindle versions from Amazon. (Otherwise, if you particularly want a hard copy, you can purchase them from Amazon or other good bookstores.) To pursue your interest Doreen you may also like to join our ever-growing Facebook Group and registering for free, live, interactive events with Jeremy Griffith and others.

Thanks for your question Irene. Resolving the human condition solves all the confusion, frustration and suffering in human life at its source because we can now understand our behaviour has been driven by a deep insecurity about our fundamental goodness. So now, with this knowledge, our goodness is biologically established we no longer have to behave insecurely and selfishly and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living. This is the rapidly transforming effect of being able to understand the human condition, however because it presents a huge paradigm shift in our thinking it does take a little time to fully grasp. FAQs 1.4 to 1.6 are helpful as they talk about the far-reaching practical applications of this understanding. Joining our Facebook Group is also highly recommended because there is so much helpful, practical and inspired discussion taking place there about how this immensely relieving understanding resolves our troubled state!

Hi בטי גרוסמן, subtitles are available on all our videos, including THE Interview and its companion presentation The Great Guilt, using the closed captions or subtitles function (just click on the ‘cc’ icon at the bottom of the video player/window and select your language). We appreciate the difficulty accessing these understandings in languages other than English, so we have created a translations page on our website where you can find key publications in Dutch, French, German, Greek, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish and Afrikaans. These translations have been produced by the wonderful efforts of the WTM’s ever-expanding global network of support to help spread this information! Unfortunately we don’t yet have any Hebrew translations, but we hope to in the near future!

Jeremy Griffith’s work explains that issues such as overpopulation; environmental destruction; resource depletion are merely symptoms of a deeper problem and will not fundamentally change at all until we solve this dilemma of the human condition—our insecure, guilt-ridden, defensive capacity for ‘good’ and ‘evil’—and bring self-understanding to the human situation. This interview provides the ideal summary presentation to watch Jim, and you might also find FAQ 1.6 ‘Why does understanding of the human condition solve everything?’ helpful.

It can take some deeper digestion to see the full significance of at last being able to make sense of the great paradox of the human life, namely how we humans are good when we appear to be the complete opposite. But what it means is that now that our goodness has been biologically established we no longer have to continue to try and prove ourselves, which was the source of all our selfish, egocentric behaviour, and can legitimately return to a selfless way of living — and this is the rapidly transforming and healing effect of being able to understand the human condition.

We are sorry to hear of the terrible experiences you have had to go through Dr Meki. The human condition has caused such unthinkable pain and suffering it is almost unimaginable. It does take time to digest, but what THE Interview presents is not an attempt to rationalise cruelty or ‘evil’ but explanation of the source responsible for the psychologically conflicted upset state that produces extremely destructive behaviour. Of course this breakthrough explanation doesn’t condone or sanction the horrendous atrocities humans can commit rather, through bringing compassionate understanding to the source of humans’ upset behaviour, it gives us the power to ameliorate and thus subside and ultimately eliminate it, see FAQ 1.38 ‘Aren’t some people just born psychopathic, or even ‘evil’? / How does this explanation rehabilitate people capable of ‘evil’ behaviour? / Does this condone ‘evil’ behaviour?’

Thank you for your feedback Josephine. While great care has been taken to present the information as quickly and simply as possible (which is done in Part 1 of THE Interview) explanation of the human condition can be initially difficult to access. This is because it has been the most terrifying of subjects to face as it is the issue of whether we are fundamentally good or bad as a species, and we have necessarily lived in almost total denial of it. We suggest looking at The Great Guilt where Jeremy Griffith explains this initial ‘deaf effect’ and how to overcome it. Also FAQ 1.3 presents a very brief summary of the key ‘instinct vs intellect’ concept.

It’s great to have your interest Bosten and thank you for your forthright comment. Yes, the work of the WTM is a scientific pursuit and was not created for profit, so all of our information and materials (including books, videos and podcasts) are provided absolutely free of charge on our website HumanCondition.com with no email registration required. Jeremy Griffith’s fully accountable, first-principle-based biological understanding of the human condition has also received outstanding commendations from leading thinkers and scientists, which you might like to read on our homepage here.

Glad to see that it is resonating with you Charlotte. While Christianity and other religions contain all manner of truths about human life, it is all from a pre-scientific view. Ultimately we needed to find the scientific explanation for why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy Griffith presents which actually reconciles science and religion. You may find these FAQs helpful in your consideration: FAQ 1.3 ‘What is biologist Jeremy Griffith’s ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation of the human condition?’ and FAQ 1.15 ‘If this is biology, why are there religious references?’