Comments on THE Interview

Hi Bruno. There is a lot to absorb here, so we do hope you take your time and watch THE Interview at least one more time. What is explained is that when the conscious mind went in search of knowledge a conflict between our instinct and intellect broke out, leading to an undeserved sense of guilt and insecurity that caused us to become psychologically defensive, angry, alienated and egocentric, the upset state we refer to as the human condition—a state we sought to alleviate through a competitive, selfish and aggressive bid for the reinforcement we could gain from winning power, fame, fortune and glory. But now that we can explain and understand this conflict and the guilt it produced, all those insecure, defensive behaviours are obsoleted, brought to an end, and we free ourselves from the human condition. We suggest these two FAQs will help as you digest this further.  FAQ 1.6 ‘Why does understanding of the human condition solve everything?’ and FAQ 1.40 ‘Aren’t the problems of the world too overwhelming to ever be fixed? / Isn’t it too late to save the world? / How can you hope to transform the world? — In particular, how are you going to change the behaviour of the rich and powerful? / How are you going to reach the bastions of power? / Won’t the greedy and power-hungry simply ignore this?’.

Thanks Khepra. We can actually now see that the source of our selfish, destructive behaviour is not ‘lower instincts’ but the result of a conflict between our instinct and intellect, leading to an undeserved sense of guilt and insecurity that caused us to become psychologically defensive, angry, alienated and egocentric, the upset state we refer to as the human condition.

    Hi Randall, thanks for your comment. We suspect in your question you mean ‘conscious’ rather than ‘conscience’ (conscience being the voice of our moral instinctive self or soul). The word ‘conscious’ is used because we can now admit exactly what ‘consciousness’ is, which as Jeremy explains in Part 2 of THE Interview, is “being able to sufficiently understand the relationship between cause and effect to become conscious of, or aware of, or intelligent about those relationships.” So while other animals clearly have various levels of ‘awareness’, or are ‘sentient’ and able to perceive or feel things, none are ‘conscious’ in the fundamental sense that none can consciously manage events like humans can. Therefore it is accurate to describe humans as the only animals possessing ‘fully conscious minds’, see FAQ 5.5 ‘Aren’t other animals capable of conscious thought like humans? / How can you say humans are the only fully conscious animals?’     Also we recommend Chapter 7 of Jeremy’s definitive book FREEDOM which provides a comprehensive explanation of how full consciousness developed in humans as a result of nurturing or the love-indoctrination process which is absolutely fascinating (summarised in FAQ 5.4 ‘What is consciousness? / Why is it that humans became conscious while other animals haven’t? / How did consciousness emerge in humans?’).

Hi Muhammad, the WTM App gives you access to a raft of information on the World Transformation Movement’s website; for instance, you can listen to the Freedom Essays that cover all the main subjects in FREEDOM, either in the audios of Jeremy Griffith’s videos, or narrated by Tim Macartney-Snape; and access the ebook and audio book versions of Jeremy’s key books. It also provides links to the WTM’s Frequently Asked Questions, live events with Jeremy & others, and the main WTM video collection. You can download the App for free at App Store or Google Play.

Well done Kerrieanne. Yes, the human condition, which is the astronomical guilt we all carry for having destroyed our original all-loving, innocent state, has historically been a terrifying subject, so we have wisely chosen to deny and avoid the whole subject! But now the ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation defends us humans and makes the whole subject safe, so we are missing out on the greatest gift of understanding ourselves if we keep choosing to live in denial! We recommend reading and/or watching Jeremy Griffith’s presentation, The Great Guilt, which outlines more comprehensively the definition of our human condition, and why it has been such a terrifying subject.

Hi Mark, we suggest the more you digest this presentation, the more you realise that the human condition is behind all our actions and motivations, including our greed, indifference and need for power. The point is that our greed and the power it affords is a symptom of our insecure, human condition afflicted state. It follows that if you address that underlying insecurity, then our greed and need for power (along with all our other artificial sources of reinforcement) will be removed. And that is what this understanding does – it addresses and solves that core insecurity about our self-worth. In fact, this redeeming, uplifting and healing explanation of the human condition is SO liberating and SO exciting that it won’t be long be everyone realises that it is completely pointless to keep trying to compensate for their insecurity through the pursuit of power, fortune and glory. You might be interested in FAQ 1.40, which addresses ‘How can you hope to transform the world? — In particular, how are you going to change the behaviour of the rich and powerful? / How are you going to reach the bastions of power? / Won’t the greedy and power-hungry simply ignore this?’

There has been a recognition in literature (and by profound thinkers generally) that there must be something better than our current human condition-afflicted state. However, many people have deluded themselves that this liberated state could be achieved through people artificially restraining, sublimating and even transcending their upset, corrupted condition, but the truth is that this state could only be achieved by confronting, truthfully thinking about, and finally explaining and thus solving the human condition at its source, which is what Jeremy Griffith has done. In the end it was only getting to the bottom of it all, not transcendence, that could fulfil Richard Bach’s allegorical quest for perfection.

Hi Pat, Jeremy Griffith’s book FREEDOM, along with all his key books, are immediately and freely available on our homepage so all you have to do is click HERE! (You can also download the free Kindle version from Amazon. Otherwise you can purchase hard copies from Amazon or other good bookstores.) There is a lot to think about and get your head around with explanation of the human condition but it is absolutely fascinating, especially the significance of the bonobos and understanding how we acquired our all-loving instincts or soul which answers one of the great scientific questions of our time. Also the key biological distinction Jeremy makes is that our aggressive and greedy behaviour comes from the conscious-mind-based, psychologically troubled human condition, not the genetic-opportunism-based, animal condition as FAQ 1.3 summarises.

We have to focus basically in humanity. So this interview is important to understand human behaviour or conditions.

With explanation of the human condition, we can now understand that everyone has suffered from it, and all our institutions, including governments, have been a manifestation of our insecure, psychologically upset condition. Only solving the human condition can stop the disintegration of society and the destruction of our world that is happening everywhere we look as our FAQ 1.6 summarises. The ancient Greeks had emblazoned across their temples the words “Man, know thyself” because it was only understanding of the psychological reason for why we humans have not been ideally behaved that could heal our upset condition.

It’s wonderful to have your interest Tammy and our reply to Irene below shows how you can learn more and you are welcome to contact us anytime via the contact form on our homepage. Happy exploring!

That’s wonderful Irene! Our homepage — HumanCondition.com — is the perfect place to learn more (and it is all FREE, and no registration required)! At the top of the homepage it states ‘WHAT NEXT after watching THE Interview?’ and leads you through the steps to pursue your interest! We encourage you to subscribe to our mailing list to stay abreast of all the exciting developments and receive a free, explanatory essay each week. Also our Facebook Group provides a platform for participating in, or just observing, interesting and exciting discussion with others about how we can live with this critical new science.

    The human condition is the study of humans’ capacity for so-called ‘good and evil’and is therefore the realm of inquiry where science and religion overlap, so in explaining the human condition religion is demystified and explained. As the Nobel prize-winning physicist Charles H. Townes said, “They [science and religion] both represent man’s efforts to understand his universe and must ultimately be dealing with the same substance. As we understand more in each realm, the two must grow together…converge they must..” By explaining the human condition Jeremy Griffith’s treatise actually brings about that convergence.     Although this is science, it is based on a Godly nature in the sense of recognising, like all the great religions do, that we humans once lived in a pre-human-condition-afflicted state of original innocence where we were perfectly instinctively orientated to the cooperative, selfless, loving, ‘Godly’ ideals of life; ‘God’ being briefly explained in THE Interview as being the integrative meaning of existence (see our FAQs about religion especially FAQs ‘What is God’ and ‘Does this understanding undermine religion’).

Hi Ion, ultimately we needed to find the scientific explanation for why when the universal ideals are to be loving, cooperative and selfless are we so angry, competitive and selfish or so “lost” as you say. Answering this question required finding the clarifying difference between the way the intellect and instincts work, and that is the great biological breakthrough Jeremy presents in THE Interview. We suggest FAQ 1.13 ‘Is this idea original or new? / How does biologist Jeremy Griffith’s ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation of the human condition differ from other theories that recognise these elements?’, as it explains the unique significance of Jeremy Griffith’s work.

    Thank you for your thoughts Bob. THE Interview explains that all humans are born with loving moral instincts, or our soul, but when we developed consciousnness, some 2 million years ago, we had to defy our instincts in order to undertake the search for knowledge and champion our fully conscious mind. This conflict between our instincts and intellect resulted in us becoming psychologically upset (angry, egocentric and alienated). This upset caused the “chaos” of today’s world which is “almost totally destructive” to our all-sensitive soul. What is so extraordinary about Jeremy’s biological treatise is that it actually defends the conscious mind for becoming so alienated from our loving instinctive self. That is the great paradox of the human condition – we humans had to defy our instincts and become corrupted in self in order to find understanding of the human condition. Now with that found we can at last reconcile our divides selves and return to our selfless way of living or “natural order”, see FAQ 1.3.     Given the questions you raise about our own developing consciousness it is worth mentioning that in his definitive book FREEDOM Jeremy explains that the individual journey does mirror the species’ journey which is fascinating reading. To quote ch 8:2 The stages of humanity’s maturation from ignorance to enlightenment: “the stages humanity progressed through as this liberated consciousness developed...parallels with our own human life-stages, because the stages that we, as conscious individuals, progress through are the same stages our human ancestors progressed through—‘ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny’: our individual consciousness necessarily charts the same course that our species’ consciousness has taken as a whole.”

I will check it out shortly

Ultimately Maria we needed to find scientific explanation for all that you speak of. For instance what is the sleeping giant within, why did we veil our eyes, what is the force of life that created us with love, why has our inner light dimmed, what can set us free from the matrix, how can we forgive ourselves for participating in the human condition, how can we love ourselves and our neighbours, what is unconditional love. All these questions are answered with Jeremy Griffith’s biological explanation of our human condition because at last we can understand that we are all born with an all-sensitive loving instinctive self or soul but when our fully conscious mind emerged it was our responsibility to champion that potential and to do that we had to defy and deny our soul. We had to lose or corrupt ourselves to find ourselves. Most of these questions are answered in THE Interview and also in our FAQ facility, see FAQ 5.3 ‘What is the Integrative Meaning of existence?’, FAQ 1.26 ‘What is soul, why has it been repressed?’, FAQ 5.2 ‘How did we acquire our moral soul’, FAQ 1.6 ‘How understanding solves everything’, FAQ 1.4 ‘How can everyone’s lives be immediately transformed?’

Hi Emmanuel, you can see from the daily ecstatic responses on our homepage, thousands and thousands of people, from all over the world, are so relieved and excited to finally be able to make sense of human life!! As you scroll down our homepage you can see the rapidly growing appreciation and support for the WTM with outstanding commendations from international thought leaders and our over 60 global WTM Centres! So the trend is happening and you can come and join us by subscribing to our mailing list and joining our booming Facebook Group!

Ha! Seriously though, in Addendum 2 of his book Death by Dogma, Jeremy explains why the white, patriarchal, Judeo-Christian Western culture, like the right-wing in politics, has been one of the main targets for rejection by the pseudo idealistic, politically correct, ‘woke’, identity politics, cancel culture movement — but that it has finally delivered the explanation of the human condition that the whole world has been so desperately waiting for.

Thanks Evelyn. It is important to mention for readers of these comments that Jeremy’s work doesn’t contradict a belief in God or Christianity, or the Bible’s content. It simply brings biological understanding to all those pre-scientific concepts, see FAQ 6.3 ‘Does understanding of the human condition undermine a faith in religion or God?’.

Yes, humanity has always had an intuitive awareness of the macro truth that despite all appearences we were fundamentally good, and that if you took away our preoccupation with the corrupting search for knowledge the universe is a miraculously beautiful place. Ultimately however, it wasn’t enough to ‘transcend’ our corrupted self in order to access this truths; our thinking mind needed understanding—specifically, scientific understanding of why when the ideals are to be loving and selfless are we so competitive and selfish? This is what Jeremy Griffith’s treatise does and why it is heralded as the breakthrough that can save the world. We recommend FAQ 6.5, which explains the difference between Jeremy’s explanation and new age thinking, and FAQ 6.7: ‘How can a scientific explanation ever hope to account for and encompass the great ‘spiritual’ dimension we know exists in life? / Isn’t ‘spirituality’ beyond a purely rational explanation?’

This is a new paradigm, so it does take some time to absorb its implications, particularly with regard to politics. What you will find is that the ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation of the human condition allows us to understand the real merits and liabilities of both the left and right wing. We can now see that the left wing, with its insistence on ideal behaviour, has had the effect of oppressing the all-important, but corrupting, search for knowledge; whereas the right wing, through its support of the selfish individualism and freedom of expression that the search required, actually occuppied the moral ground. However, in the end, what the ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation does is bring about a profound understanding to both sides which ultimately will bring an end to the whole ugly business of politics. This is fully explained in our FAQs about politics.

Hi Dean, it is explained that the original genetic instinct for maternalism is a naturally selected instinctive orientation that evolved because it promotes the perpetuation of its genes through better protecting its offspring. HOWEVER, in Part 3 of THE Interview it is explained that over time, through the love indoctrination process, maternalism became a case of mothers actively loving their offspring — which was to prove the unlocking point for our species to develop our altruistic, moral instinctive self or soul, and our unique consciousness. You can read more about the nurturing-based love-indoctrination process in chapter 5 of Jeremy’s definitive book FREEDOM, and how it liberated consciousness in chapter 6. You can also read summaries of these chapters in Freedom Essays 21 and 24 respectively.

Just follow your curiosity, Kenny, and you won’t be disappointed! Our homepage — HumanCondition.com — provides an initial guide to learn more (and it is all FREE, and no registration required). At the top of the homepage it states ‘WHAT NEXT after watching THE Interview?’ and leads you through the steps to pursue your interest! Our interactive live events with Jeremy Griffith and others are also a great way to have questions answered, and interact with others to enhance your comprehension of this breakthrough explanation of the human condition. You can register for these events here, while our Facebook Group provides a wonderful platform for participating in, or just observing, interesting and exciting discussion with others about how we can live with this critical new science.

Don’t despair Stuart. While this necessarily has a slow start, humanity’s uptake of the explanation of the human condition has a fast finish as the selflessness it liberates in people will not only quickly solve all the problems on the planet, but the excitement and joy it brings means everyone will want to get on board as quickly as they can (see FAQ 1.5)! As Jeremy Griffith explains in his book FREEDOM chapter 9:9: “Although this new world for humans, which the World Transformation Movement has been established to facilitate, will, as has been stated, have a slow beginning because humans initially find it difficult even taking in or ‘hearing’ discussion about the human condition, once the WTM is discovered, word of it and what it offers every human and the world will spread like wildfire.’”

Great to learn of your interest, Frances! Understanding the human condition is the great unlocking point in the human journey of conscious thought and enquiry and provides the real basis for personal development and a lasting freedom from the torment of not understanding ourselves. Its resolution leads at last to an incredibly exciting and meaningful world for everyone. In terms of people who have become enthusiastic about our information and are seeking to perhaps formally communicate it to others, in your case through potentially holding seminars, we provide important and, we hope helpful, advice in FAQ 1.24.

No, this understanding is not about suspending our logical mind or living with logic and illogic at the same time. The ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation is about bringing accountable, relieving, reconciling understanding to the human condition.

Yes, with understanding of the love indoctrination process, we can now understand how important nurturing (and the associated matriachy) was in human evolution – it is how humanity extablished its peaceful loving instinctive self or soul! You can read more about the love indoctrination process in chapter 5 of Jeremy’s definitive book FREEDOM. What is also critically important is that we can now also understand why we had to leave that loving state and suffer self-corruption, and become ‘patriachal’ as the search for knowledge of our corrupted state became the all-important focus. Thankfully, with that redeeming understanding now found, the corrupting search can now end, and nurturing can again become the focus, and we can return to a loving, cooperative state!

Great to have your interest, Marnee. For those who are enthusiastically wanting to communicate to others Jeremy Griffith’s world-saving explanation of the human condition we strongly recommend reading our FAQ 1.24 which offers advice on how best to do so.

Yes, the Deaf Effect is very real Robert. We recommend Jeremy’s presentation The Great Guilt, which allows us to understand, and therefore overcome, this Deaf Effect to being able to ‘hear’ and access the solution to the human condition.

Yes Cliff, THE Interview is very revealing. Jeremy Griffith’s ‘instinct vs intellect’ treatise explains how our emerging conscious mind came into conflict with our preestablished loving instincts, making us psychologically upset. You might be interested in chapter 8:16C of Jeremy’s definitive book FREEDOM, which explains in greater detail about the absolute importance of nurturing, and how if it is compromised, it creates destructive behaviour in subsequent generations. Of course, as Jeremy writes in that chapter, it is not parents’ fault; they, like everyone else, have been dealing with the human condition. Jeremy writes: “Parents can now understand that their inability to adequately love their offspring is not their fault, but the product of the ever-accumulating levels of upset in the human race as a whole that resulted from our species’ heroic 2-million-year search for knowledge, specifically for self-knowledge, understanding of why we conscious humans are good and not bad.” We also suggest FAQ 1.13 ‘Is this original or new?’ which explains the unique significance of Jeremy Griffith’s work.

Thanks for your comment Peter. Yes, the individual journey does mirror the species‘ journey - ’ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny‘. In the case of humanity, unable to explain its non-ideal behaviour, our species has been stalled in an immmature, ’adolescent‘ state, unable to progress through to ’adulthood' or “conscious competence”. As Jeremy Griffith explains in chapter 8 of his definitive book FREEDOM, “adolescence encompasses the stage when we fully conscious humans search for our identity, for understanding of who we are—specifically for why we have not been ideally behaved. And since completing that upsetting search was to take some 2 million years, humanity’s adolescence came to be characterised by ever-increasing levels of upset, which required the invention of more and more desperate means to try to contain that upset as well as find relief from it.”

I would like to know my reason on the planet earth

Although this is science, it is based on a Godly nature in the sense of recognising, like all the great religions do, that we humans once lived in a pre-human-condition-afflicted state of original innocence where we were perfectly instinctively orientated to the cooperative, selfless, loving, ‘Godly’ ideals of life; ‘God’ being explained in as being the integrative meaning of life. You might find our FAQs about religion of interest, in particular FAQ 6.2 ‘What is the meaning of life? / What is the Integrative Meaning of existence? / What is ‘God’? / Does the scientific explanation of ‘God’ really contain all the attributes of religion’s metaphysical ‘God’?’

For all those visiting this page and reading these comments, we wanted to let you know that you can immediately access free electronic copies of Jeremy Griffith’s definitive book FREEDOM (along with his other key books, including THE Interview) to read, listen to or download here on our homepage. You can also download free Kindle versions from Amazon. (Otherwise you can purchase hard copies from Amazon or other good bookstores.)

What a lovely comment Walter and thank you for your offer to help. Our FAQ 3.4 'How can I help the WTM' includes all the ways people can support, to quote: “all that really matters now is that this new paradigm of the reconciling and redeeming understanding of the human condition is appreciated and disseminated to the world’s population, because it alone can heal the human race and save the world. All everyone should do now is support the truth about the human condition and it will achieve everything everyone has ever dreamt of. If we look after this information it, in turn, will look after each of us and the world. That is the mantra of the new world that understanding of the human condition brings about.”

    Thanks for your comment, Karene. It’s wonderful that this understanding is resonating with you and that you are keen to read FREEDOM, which you can access online HERE for free. The more you digest this understanding, we suggest the more you will see how it brings profound peace to your and everyone’s situation. What is so important about Jeremy Griffith’s ‘instinct vs intellect’ explanation of the human condition is that it finally explains the real reason for why humans’ selfish, competitive and destructive behaviour, and the shame and guilt that state produced, became an unavoidable, indeed necessary, part of human life. And with our goodness biologically established, we no longer need to be preoccupied with proving our worth. Solving the human condition solves all the confusion, frustration and suffering in human life at its source so we can actually stop the angry destruction of ourselves, each other and the planet and save the world.     You may be interested in FAQ 1.34, in which the highly respected psychiatrist Professor Harry Prosen, a former President of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, wrote: “the beauty of Griffith’s treatise is that the healing starts at the macro level of the universal human condition; the healing of the shame and blame that the whole human race has suffered from…It brings the greater context and love to all human psychosis and suffering, and then, from under the umbrella of that safe position, everyone can gradually work inwards to their particular experience of all the imperfections in human life that have now, finally, been made sense of.”