I started being interested in the ideas propagated by http://www.humancondition.com but after having read the following statement “They [science and religion] both represent man’s efforts to understand his universe and must ultimately be dealing with the same substance. As we understand more in each realm, the two must grow together…converge they must.” (See par. 327 of FREEDOM )” I can only conclude that this site is yet another attempt to confuse us all by merging two ideas which are mutually exclusive namely “science” and “religion”. These 2 ideas can NOT be both true at the same time. As from now I will no longer visit http://www.humancondition.com (nor affiliated sites) and I have unsubscribed myself from its mailing list. To those choosing to be no longer deluded I advise to do the same.

As one of the resident mechanists on this forum, I do enjoy the rigour with which Mr Griffith approaches all subjects including religious. And upon reflection, when thinking about the Adam and Eve myth or metaphor, it does appear to me, with the benefit of Mr Griffith’s thinking, that whoever wrote it, was indeed describing the emergence of consciousness, and how it contributed to the human condition.

I grew up with the teaching that “There was only one God”, but over the years that belief has mellowed to ” There is only one God but different peoples have given Him a different name.” Like there is only one Sun shining in the Sky….different peoples have different names for the Sun.

This was not a problem in our world till we became advanced enough to Communicate widely and began to argue with other peoples about God’s name and the way we believed He required us to honour him. And the better our communication got the more we argue about this subject.

The above naturally insures that these different peoples have different rules. It is unfortunate that we have taken upon ourselves the belief that we should convert those who believe something that better reflects our own.

Of course. What alternative does religion offers, but nothing but religious delusions based on no evidence but faith? It not acceptable as rational evidence. It’s totally unverifiable. It’s unfalsifiable. Meaning it can not be proven false. When something can not be proven false is logically impossible.

A classic example is Christianity’s claims that it is the only true religion and rejects all other religions. How do they know? They will cite some verses in their holy books to back their claims as proof. it’s nothing more than Christian hypocrisy that claims that Christian holy book is the latest incarnation of g0d’s law that supersedes the Judean Talmud. Did g0d’s law (Yahweh, the monotheistic, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, Eternal, All Caring and Loving deity g0d, the Alpha and the Omega) got modified to become a Trinity g0d during the Pagan Roman conversion to Christianity since then? Please more realistic. Think of what the Roman Catholics did to the (g0d’s law) The Ten Commandments, handed down directly by G0d to Moses? Isn’t is blasphemy? Think of it!. Shalom. May Allah bless you.

I would welcome anyone to respond to my objections.

I know where you coming from with this and science does play a big role in our survival now in this time day and age as we come through ages of time an learnt to talk our words against each other is what’s holding us back from improving further into gods wisdom words tracks , at this time in our lives we have to balance out the weather, and clouds formations, we create with our words anger tension thoughts, and actions over time the answer are all in bible I found it was easier for me to understand by breaking down our words, into alphabet and numerology and checking it with the verse of the bible, each culture represents a part in bible thus far of family trees of where we have corrected past mistakes in time, and what puts us onto a different levels from others but all level important as they all have a place in time ,write it all down of what comes in on one understand the wisdom of it then send it out to next level to improve on or understand nursery rhymes and old time songs all part of our make up, nursery rhymes has an adult meaning to them and all involves the weather patterns,

Dear sir ; Madamma ,Adam and Eve was cast out of Paradise, from Old Testament Stories am still dont understood till today , because am just looking out of todays way of leaving.

There is a huge difference between religion and spirituality and spiritual knowledge, and the application and reality of it.

Religion – which is based on paganism, superstition and church dogma is at all times a waste of effort and has been responsible for some of the worst atrocities in the history of earth.

However science as we have it as yet, is still in a pitifully primitive state. They cannot define life or even make a pumpkin or a blade of grass or anything with basic life of its own sustaining it, or basic to sustain basic life. All their efforts are based on the application of billions and billions of dollars of money and without money everything falls flat.

So until such time as they acknowledge the knowledge, power and reality of the magnificent spiritual powers that sustains our whole existence and honor and respect it enough to incorporate it into their science they will remain pitifully powerless, and slaves to their god mammon.

Very helpful and interesting ok NG thank u

The west needs to stop the confusion of calling Buddism a “religion”, as its no such thing. Buddism is a spiritual way of life based on personal investigations of the self and collective. Buddism does not tell you to believe what they teach, therefore there is no dogma involved. They rather urge you to investigate and discover it all yourself. Moreover Buddism does not oppose science, rather try to teach them what they learned during the last few thousand years. Buddism is called the science of the East. The Dalai Lama for example is really interested in quantum mechanics and frequently meets up with scientists from all over the world. I appreciate your book, your work and I believe it’s a wonderful movement. But I urge everyone to please stop referring to Buddism as a religion. Until you investigated and confirmed for yourself, one should not make such statements. Wikipedia doesn’t do it. I believe that what’s been said its true. All religions started with great potential to help people find the “inner light”, “true self”, “pure soul” etc and discover our true nature which is as you say gentle, loving, kind etc. The problem was that all have been exploited later on and been twisted by people who’s only goal was money and power. Its apparent, and clear as a sky. One more note on stories from the bible. Many have been taken from the sumerians, slightly changed and implemented into the bible. For example the “Noah story” has been found on sumerian tablets and its accuracy maches the big flood happening long before the bible was born. “The Sumerian flood myth found in the Deluge tablet was the epic of Ziusudra, who heard the gods’ plan to destroy humanity, in response to which he constructed a vessel that delivered him from great waters.”
Also note that there are more of these stories from the area about the same time as the sumerians wrote their story. Interestingly all have one hero saving his family from a great flood… the problem with the “Noah story” is that the timeline doesn’t add up as there where no big flood at that time. Whereas in the case of the other stories there where written at the exact time of a great flooding of the area. Investigate, question everything and you’ll find the truth.